March 29, 2024 • 33 mins
In this episode, I had a heartfelt discussion with Jenna Faye Madden, an energetic business strategist and empath. Jenna shared her transition from corporate life to embracing entrepreneurship, highlighting the pivotal role personal development played in her journey. We delved into the essence of integrating soul with strategy in business, emphasizing the power of vulnerability and authenticity in making genuine connections. Jenna's insights on navigating public opinion and criticism online were incredibly enlightening, underscoring the balance between personal expression and professional growth.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to the Magnetic Goddess podcast.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, Magnetic Goddess. I have an amazing guest today.
This gal and I, we've been connected for a really long time.
She likes my posts. I like her posts. We definitely vibe.
We definitely have a lot in common. I've got Jenna Faye Madden here.
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She is an energetic business strategist and she is an empath like me.
So given everything that's going on in the world right now, at the time of this
recording, I definitely am really grateful that she's the person that came up
in the rotation to speak with today because she's amazing.
And I know that we're going to have a fabulous conversation.
We had a conversation beforehand about whether we should even do this today.
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And we came to the conclusion that it's better to lead with integrity and vulnerability.
And so we're here for you, despite everything going on.
You're listening to The Magnetic Goddess, a podcast for women who are ready
to step into their power and live their best lives.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and I'm here to guide and inspire you to
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take the journey back to your higher self.
We'll talk about everything from personal development to career growth to relationships.
We'll share tips, tools, and strategies that will help you become the most confident,
successful, and magnetic version of yourself.
We'll also talk to inspiring women who have already achieved their dreams and
are living their best lives.
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We'll learn from their stories and discover what it takes to create a life that is truly fulfilling.
I believe that every woman has the potential to be a magnetic goddess.
She has the power to attract anything she wants in life, and she can create
her birthright of abundance.
I'm here to help you tap into that inner goddess and live your best life.
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I'm so excited to have you on this journey with me.
Let's start living our best lives together as magnetic goddesses.
Welcome, Jenna. Thank you so much, Amy Lee, for having me here with you today
and for us to have a real raw conversation.
I'm really excited to see what comes through. And like you said,
we've been connected for so long.
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So it also feels really special to spend some time together and co-create.
Absolutely. I think I love the way you said that to co-create. Absolutely.
So just to get us started, energetic business strategist, that sounds like a real dream job, right?
But like, how did you get to be doing that in the world?
Like, I imagine you didn't start there. Like, tell me how the trajectory of
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getting to that title. title.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I wish I just woke up one day and been like,
that's what I want to be when I grow up.
But yeah, like most or all of us, I feel like my journey really started about seven years ago.
And the Cliff Notes version of that is I had zero entrepreneurial vision,
plan, didn't even really know it could be a possible path for me.
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So I put myself through university.
It was in corporate, in a soul-sucking job, did not love it.
And kind of like the gateway drug for me was network marketing,
but really 10 years ago this year.
And that led me into a path of, oh my God, like there's other options out there.
There's other things out there. So I started going to conferences.
I started getting into personal development. And long story short,
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left my corporate job seven years ago, basically to the date from when we're
recording this. And I had no real plan, had no savings.
And my kind of bridge into entrepreneurship to keep my expanding beyond my MLM
business was to become a personal trainer and a spiritual life coach, healer kind of person.
So I jumped into that and then about
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a year after starting more of my businesses and
my own stuff I started traveling full-time which I'm
still doing now six years later and kind
of realized at that point I had to start learning how to move things online
which is what I did but I also found over time that actually pretty quickly
a lot of women were like wait how did you quit your job and how did you find
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your purpose and how did you start your business and things kind of came full
circle where I realized that it's just kind of like personal training and nutrition, all these things.
I was pretty good at it, but I'm a lot better.
I feel like at helping people go forth and multiply, so to speak,
like where they're good at it.
And my actual skills and expertise I realized was a lot more on the leadership
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business side of things than it was the like actual doing the healing sessions
or the nutrition consults or the PT sessions.
So So, yeah, it's been a evolution ever since then to grow my brand,
my company now known as Soul Meets Strategy to really kind of bridge those things,
bring in the grounded energy.
Bring in the actual practical strategy, bring in the feminine,
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the masculine and basically bring those two worlds together.
It's crazy how parallel that is to my own experience because mine,
I think I left my five years ago, about two weeks ago.
And yeah, same. I was so inspired to be a visionary,
to inspire women to have it all, all the law of attraction stuff that when this
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MLM was in its infancy, well, I thought it was in its infancy.
I was one of the first thousand people in the company.
I definitely felt that calling of like, okay, I can take this vehicle and do this work.
At a certain point, I was like, this is not the vehicle for this work anymore.
And I made a pivot. And it's just interesting that we share that in common because
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I think that network marketing can absolutely be a stepping stone,
a catapult for personal development, professional development,
because I think it gives you this opportunity to be a leader in a vacuum and
then kind of like take your leadership out of the vacuum.
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What I find is sometimes that the disheartening part about it is that,
especially when you first leave, people assume that the only reason that you're
successful in what you're doing is because you had a big team,
right? Like, oh, well, you had a big team.
So, and it's interesting, like when I look back at like Like now at my client
base, I don't think any... Well, maybe one of the people in my membership is
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still affiliated with that company.
And here we are 5 years later, in your case, 10 years later, and...
We're, we're thriving in what we're doing completely independent of that energy,
you know? I think that's such a good point. Yeah.
Cause when I think back to, there was very few people from my team that came
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with me into kind of this other world and this other side of things.
And it definitely did not really correlate at all in terms of my growth or my success.
Like it had had nothing really to do with the team that I had built.
And a lot of those people are still within that company. It's funny because
I still even use that company's products, but it just stopped.
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I just didn't want to be basically a cleanse coach, nutrition coach for people
at a certain point too, where I realized that there was something else,
there was something bigger.
And it's kind of full circle though at the same time, because in the more recent
months and years, I started doing a lot more like affiliate marketing,
but it's such a different energy.
I don't know if you have found this, but now, you know, I have lots of like
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little affiliate passive things
going of recommending softwares and things that I use for my clients.
And then that has built up, but even like some products, but now it's,
it's like, it's not hidden.
It's not this, like I'm building a team. It's literally like,
oh yeah, these are the things I use and love if you want to use them too.
Versus back then, I remember taking photos of things and like hiding the company
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name and being like, message me for a BOGO.
You know what I'm like? I feel like those days are kind of done, at least for me.
Yeah. And in the company that I was in, you couldn't be photographed on social
media wearing anybody else's clothing.
So I remember being like, oh gosh, there's a picture of me that someone tagged
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me in and I have jeans on and I'm not allowed to wear jeans.
And when I finally left that company, I went to actually went to a different
clothing company because I just liked their clothes.
And I wasn't doing it for the leadership aspect. I was doing it for the discount, full disclosure.
And I remember asking the CEO, like, so wait, I can wear whatever I want.
Like, I don't have to wear these clothes. And they're like, no,
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like, why would you have to wear a clothes?
Like, we don't want you to feel like you have to wear it. But like in this other
company, it was like, so-and-so, you know, the owner of the company saw this picture of you online.
You need to take it down because you're not wearing their clothes.
And so that was our version of that. We were allowed to talk about it all day
long. In fact, Fun story.
I was actually one of the people who was really instrumental in making it so
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we were allowed to sell our brand online.
Because for a really long time, our company was like, No, we're not doing it
that way. They didn't understand it.
And because of me being a military wife and a bunch of other people who had
various reasons why they couldn't go do pop-up parties, we were able to do that.
And it became a billion-dollar business as a result of all the online selling we did. it.
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So that innovation that they were afraid was going to be the end of their business.
Ended up being the thing that, you know, made it so they could buy a private
jet or whatever. So that's incredible.
And I think such a good point, you know, that these, it's not like network marketing is right or wrong.
And I mean, I still think in many ways, it can be such a great business and model and tool.
But I think the big thing I've seen is it really just can be such a great catalyst for people.
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And like the downfall can be that many of us get kind of sucked up in it where
it's like our whole identity.
And I think what's really beautiful is seeing people embrace that they can have
their own identity and products and totally be a part of it.
But I love seeing leaders really stepping into their leadership.
And so it's like that double edged, you know, pros and cons side of the spectrum
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where some people don't see their power and potential and they just kind of
stay in that environment,
even though So there's more calling them, but also so many of us,
I feel like it was exactly what we needed that has opened up so, so much more.
And I know for me, it's definitely helped me become a better leader.
And even though there was a lot of things I learned that I would not do anymore
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through that, I feel like it's kind of like dating.
Like we kind of learn what we want as women through what we don't want.
And so it was, it was really such a beautiful growth accelerator for me that
I'm actually just, I'm so grateful for.
Yeah, I would, I would have to say that too. I mean, in my case,
there was some trauma that went
along with that and maybe a little bit of gaslighting and a cult behavior.
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But other than that, I definitely think I did learn a lot.
What I think is really interesting is when you're a leader in a multi-level
marketing or direct sales,
there's this idea that you're supposed to keep the personality of you on the
inside and lead with the company, lead with the company's values,
usually with the company's dreams, desires, and all the things.
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And you're supposed to keep the vulnerability at a minimum because your team should look up to you.
They shouldn't really see that fallibleness in you, right?
Like that humanity makes you look bad as a leader in that space.
And I think what's interesting is that when you get out into the real world
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and in the coaching world, maybe it's not the real world, but the coaching world,
it's almost like you're are now expected to grow under a microscope.
Like now it's like, I want to see all their vulnerability.
I want to hear all of the stories. I want to know what you're going through.
That's going to make me follow you. Versus in MLM, where it's like,
I don't want to know any of that.
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I want you to be an influencer through and through.
And more the company, I think, feels that way, right? Like the company is like,
we don't want to see any of your scars.
We don't want to see any of the imperfections of you. You're, you're towing the line.
Then you get out there and you're on your own boss. And it's like,
how are you going to connect to these people if you can't express that humanity
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and that growth over, you know, over the time?
And I don't know if I've really articulated that or understood that,
but just having this conversation with you, I think it's, would you agree with that?
Definitely. Yeah. I feel like there's kind of two extremes here that happen
because there's like the identity of kind of the company and essentially being
a salesperson versus being our own salesperson of our own brand.
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And yeah, like you said, and I think now more than ever, like even compared
to five years ago, two years ago, people want intimacy. They want to feel people's humanity.
I mean, we've got the rise of AI. We've just got so many crazy evolution things
going on right now. And I feel like more than ever as consumers,
which we all are, we like want to feel someone's heart. We want to feel who they are.
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And I feel like, too, there's this difference, though, between because I hear
this from clients a lot, like, oh, I have to tell everyone everything online.
Like, I can't keep anything private. it. I'm like, well, I think there's a big
difference between what I call sacred privacy, where we just,
we don't have to share it.
And we're solid in that versus there's like shame attached to it,
but it would actually set us free to share some more than what we're sharing.
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And I think sometimes we put ourselves in these little boxes online and we're
like, okay, I have my content buckets.
You know, I'm going to talk about this thing and that thing and how it relates to my coaching thing.
And then people wonder why people aren't buying, but they can't,
it's like nothing really makes you different from somebody
else even if you have the best offer because they can't feel
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you but then at the other side of the spectrum we can't
just use our social media as like a journal entry where we just dump on there
and so I feel like it's like such a dance in my experience of sharing and leading
more which I agree like especially in the coaching industry like that that is
kind of one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle is being more us online Yeah.
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And I think that came full circle for me this week, you know,
with everything that's going on in Israel, being a Jewish woman,
I used to be a lot more political, a lot more activist online for the various causes that I belong to.
I know this because every time I look at my Facebook memories,
I'm like, cringe, cringe, cringe.
This would not align with where I am right now and whatever.
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But I really had to think about how was I going to...
Respond to what was going on as a Jewish woman, right?
Because with everything going on, like there's so many echoes of what happened
during the Holocaust for, from a Jewish perspective.
Notwithstanding the fact that everything that's going on with Palestine,
like I do not for one second condone the, the elimination of any innocence anywhere at any point.
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And then this isn't, you know, this isn't a, a what's the word I'm looking for
consolation to that, but But I had to say something.
And it was the first time in a long time that I actually commented in any way.
And that was hard for me because I think there are probably a lot of people in my audience,
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as it is now that don't necessarily believe or have the same ideals.
Maybe ideals isn't right right? Because my audience would, but maybe they don't
agree politically, right?
With how I feel on the situation.
And for me to stand up and say that the way that I did, I think that in some
ways that may have been alienating, but in some ways it was like a true test
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of the vulnerability of me as a coach.
And I know that you and I share a lot of values.
Obviously, human rights is one of them, but also other things,
right? Crunchy things, mom things.
And I'm just curious, what is your take on how do you stand in your power, in your authenticity,
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knowing that there will be aspects of you that will turn certain clients off,
that will potentially...
I mean, we'll alienate you from certain individuals.
Like, how do you fortify yourself in knowing that that's okay and deal with
that uncomfortability, I guess?
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Yeah, this is such a good question. I feel like this is so my arena as well,
because especially over the last couple years,
like from 2020 to now, I've gone through my own waves of how outspoken I am
or choose not not to be through this.
And I mean, through that, I've, I mean, I've been censored more than I can count.
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I've had Instagram accounts deleted on me, et cetera, et cetera.
And what I've realized through the process was a couple of things.
Number one, I feel like most of us are self-censoring ourselves,
you know, and not saying what we want to say.
So before we can even really shift the censorship online around like political
views and all these things, I'm like, well, we need to like clear that stuff
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within us first and foremost.
And I think with that being said, at least in my experience,
I've had, I've had people unfollow me.
Like I looked just the other day and I didn't even post anything that like wild,
but I lost 20 followers and it wasn't even anything really all that crazy.
But I mean, I've had a lot of people unfollow me over the years.
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I even think of my wedding, which was four years ago from this month.
And we had 80 people there and probably 60 of of them don't talk to us anymore
because we had differing views from them of what's gone on.
I know what those views are. I support you.
There's been a lot of that. I've had hate emails. I've had projections.
I've had a lot. But what I will say is I would say 80% of my clients who come
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to me, they say something to me along the lines of.
We share similar values or I saw you spoke out about X.
So I knew I wanted to hire you. So it's like they obviously value my business
expertise or what have you, but it's like that personal human connection.
And I've also had women say, well, we don't exactly share the same views and I'm okay with that.
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Like we can both think our own things, but the fact that you hold your views
and you share your views and you're not really wavering in those things,
like really gave me a lot of of strength or I didn't really get it before, but I do now.
So I guess for me, even though it's been for sure hard at moments,
I also feel like I've gotten a lot of evidence and strength from seeing that
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it's strengthening and supporting other people to stand in their truth.
And so I feel like on a practical level, I definitely do like a lot of shielding
and just like moving the energy and stuff.
Cause like you, I'm really empathic. So I can, I can really deeply feel those
things and hold on to them.
But I also feel like it's so beneficial to hold strong on that while dancing with it.
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Like now I find I kind of weigh the pros and cons where I'm like, how should I say this?
How much should I say? And it's not even about my own self-expression so much now.
It's more about like playing on big tech and making sure that my accounts stay alive at this point.
I know, seriously. It's crazy. I mean, I'm a Facebook power admin,
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which means I'm recognized as one of the people that Facebook is like,
okay, this person knows how to build groups, right?
And if they only knew my true belief about Facebook, my true opinions about
the way that the censorship goes and the way that it favors,
they probably wouldn't want me in their community.
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I mentioned there's a lot of us, but like I said, this was my first time in
a really... And I used to be very vocal about this. I used to be very...
You know, advocating for this particular cause.
And I, and I got really quiet about it for a long time because I just felt as
though, you know, it wasn't serving
my business, but here I am in a place where I don't have the luxury.
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I mean, like, what, what, what do I say to the 6 million people who were murdered?
Like, sorry, you know, my business, my livelihood, like, where do you,
where do you draw the line? And, and for me, this was the line.
And, and I definitely got some flack on my I stand with Israel post from some
people. Oh yeah, I'll have to send you screenshots.
You will be like, yeah, because of course, after the hair flip,
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the person blocked me and then nobody else could see the comments,
but I took screenshots of them.
So I'll have to show you, you be floored. And be like, which side of the aisle
are you on? Like this was very out there.
And it's interesting too. And I feel like I can have this conversation with
you specifically, my little brother, who I adore.
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He's actually moving today out of my house. He's been here for three years,
but he has a show on YouTube and he basically makes a living on YouTube.
Criticizing and like roasting other podcasts, people, specifically people on
like the Howard Stern show and all this stuff.
And, and the other day, my little brother, and I'm going to use a word that's
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not appropriate, but I just want to say at the beginning, I'm a special needs
mom. So I want you to understand, audience, as I say this word,
it's very emotionally charged for me.
And I don't take it lightly, but I need you to understand this man criticized
my little brother on this YouTube and said that my little brother,
who he's not that little, he's 37.
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But he said that my brother was a retard who had broken brain and ate out of the trash.
And just matter of factly speaking about another human being like this,
And my brother was unfazed. He's like, yeah, I know. Isn't that great?
Like he shouted me out on his show. I'm going to get so many views.
And I'm just like, I can't even conceive of a world where someone could say
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that about me and I could giggle about it or I could laugh about it.
And so knowing you and how much more on the front lines you are of this advocacy,
of doing the work of standing in your beliefs,
I have to say, Jenna, I'm in awe of you because my my body couldn't hold that
kind of vitriol, you know, like I couldn't like my little brother,
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he's like, Oh, it doesn't bother me at all. I think it's hilarious.
And I'm just like, I remember when I was in the MLM and the things that people
said when I left and the vicious, horrible things they said,
even when I'm still in it, you know, people who had left and,
and the trolling and the energy of the anger.
And now what's going on with this conflict. And I'm just like.
Really, I'm in awe. Like, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you can
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be the gentle, kind, loving person you are.
And at the same time, absorb all of that and transmute it.
Like, do you have any, you know, and I usually ask people, you know,
what makes you a magnetic goddess? But like, I think this is your thing.
I think the way you alchemize this, this swampy energy and continue to be the
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light worker that you are i think that is your magnetism and so i guess what
i want to know is from an energetic somatic standpoint how do you.
Move that through your body without letting it destroy
you without feeling like you've got to go hide wow well
first thank you thanks for the compliment and
for witnessing me and as you were saying that it was just giving me this like
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flash flood of like all these like just
over the the years the scenarios that have
come up and I mean it's been everything you know from like
haters on videos but even things
like it wasn't all that long ago it was two to three
years ago that we had this like crazy stalker scenario
where someone they they definitely
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had some mental health challenges and they were attacking me online and my husband
to the point where they were trying to of track like where we were traveling
and living and they were posting in facebook like local facebook groups yeah
yeah and like basically like they saw we were online coaches and they.
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Don't understand what that is so they associate that on maybe they've had a
bad experience with someone i don't know but they assumed that we were con artists
so they were literally posting and like had saved my profile photo of me and
my husband posting in local facebook groups being Like if you see these people like steer clear,
they're con artists, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, who are you people?
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And that actually went on, on and off for like a year and a half where it would
stop and then it would resurface because they would make another account and
look at where we were traveling to and.
Do the whole thing. And to be honest, like it created a lot of contraction in me seeing that happen.
And also just a lot of kind of anxiety as of wondering, and you know,
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you know, one likes to feel like they're going to be cast out.
And I'm thinking, oh, like we, you know, we're here to make community.
We're here to make connections.
We're not con artists, like, you know, all these crazy things.
And I mean, that's just one of many scenarios I've encountered with crazy people.
Projecting and stuff over the years.
And I really found like I had to come back into my vision and my mission.
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Like my motto has always been for years now, hold the vision,
not the circumstances, because I feel like the bigger our mission becomes.
The bigger our business becomes, the bigger our visibility becomes.
These things never really stop and go away.
And I feel like the more our leadership expands, the more we have to dance with
like, okay, well, maybe I should should speak into this.
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Maybe I shouldn't. And also maybe sometimes our views don't really go with the
grain of things that are out there.
And like, for me, you know, even just on like political kinds of things,
it's like, I have empathy and I can see, I feel like a lot of what's going on,
but I'm also really good in my opinion of like zooming out and seeing like the
higher level perspective here of like what's happening on like a human level
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on the earth earth realm where I'm like, it's so sad, these things that happen.
And I feel like it continues to fuel the separation consciousness and agenda on this planet.
And then I see it happening on these like microscopic levels,
like social media, where people attack each other.
I was literally chatting with my husband, he just had another video go really viral.
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And so with that came lots of weird comments. And I always kind of laugh.
I'm like, are these even real people? like they seem like bots like
the photos it's like billy john joe and it's like you
can't see his face with his middle finger i'm like is that even a real
person you know and i look at this stuff and
i just have to realign and like realign and
realign like on the white facebook page they're like
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yeah okay you're yeah okay right and i
just realign and i think well kind of like you said with your younger brother
i'm like well at least they're boosting us in the algorithm and so i try to
think of this from like a higher self perspective where it's always easy and
even those people that were stalking us that was like one of the harder ones
but i think like what like what's the higher.
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Lesson here like what's the opportunity like it
has to be happening for a reason and it's not just suffering I
don't believe that God the divine the
higher power wants us to just suffer like there's always something there
for us so I really always try to without obsessing I like try to look at like
what's the lesson or the opportunity how did I potentially allow this or create
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this especially if I'm talking on like an individual not like big collective
things kind of issue but but like say on social media,
it's like, how did I allow this into my space?
Because I remember talking to a mentor a long time ago and asking him,
because at this point I constantly had clients ghosting, bouncing on payments,
et cetera, et cetera. And I'm like, what do you do when this happens?
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He's like, it just doesn't really happen to me. I'm like, what?
And he's like, I'm just not really available for that. I'm like, that's an option.
And it's kind of funny to think years down the road where I think,
yeah, that very rarely happens to me now.
And so I really feel like a lot of the things that have happened is on some
level I was kind of receptive and allowing it in.
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And also I was allowing myself to take it on as my truth.
I feel like when we get super triggered by things on social media,
I'm like, well, what part of me believes that this is true, which is why I'm
feeling some sort of emotional charge or what part of me fears that that this
is true or how everyone perceives me. And now I'm taking it on as truth.
So I don't know, a bit of a tangent, but that's what comes through.
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No, I don't think it was a tangent at all. I think it was powerful.
And I think that it went exactly where it needed to go. And I think you're absolutely right.
As within, so without, right? So all of a sudden the other day,
I woke up to two different people commenting.
I haven't had drama on my stuff in a long time.
But the The moment that I put myself out there, you know, is when my brain goes,
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oh, we're putting ourself out there.
And now I'm an energetic match for people to complain about it.
But before I wasn't doing that.
So it wasn't that I wasn't saying controversial things. It was that I wasn't
energetically afraid because there was nothing to fight with.
And then incidentally, there was another post that that happened on because
of the thing that happened with the, you know, on the world stage.
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So it's crazy. I mean, we really are energetically attuned or not to certain
things coming into our world and to do the work you do and to be the voice that you are,
I guess there's an aspect of you that just knows that that comes with the territory
because if it didn't, then you're not really making an impact because you're surrounded by,
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you know, what do they call Call it, you're in a, you know, everybody around you agrees with you.
An echo chamber, that's it. Yeah, yeah, totally.
And so if you're in an echo chamber, then you're really not doing anything.
If you're surrounded by people who have what you have, then it's like,
what's the point? How am I going to help people here?
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So you do have this certain expectation that there's going to be friction and
go into it with your sword up and your shield and you're like,
let's go, you know? And I just think that that's so, I guess I've never really gotten to say that.
I think I've said it on a couple of your posts, but here's me saying it personally,
that the work that you do is really powerful and certainly not for the faint
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of heart. So thank you for that.
So how do people get ahold of you if they want to get into your world?
If they're like, oh my gosh, I already know what you're saying and I'm all over it.
How do they get in touch with you? How do they hook up with you?
Yes. Okay. I'll answer that. Yeah. And one thought I have to share from what
you said is, yes, this has been in my field so much lately.
And it feels like kind of the perfect thought before we transition out of this
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is what we resist persists. I'm sure you, I'm sure other people have heard this before.
And I feel like when we have these charges that happen with our emotions,
when stuff happens, it's like sometimes we actually just need to be in the emotions
and we need to process it. We need to heal.
And then sometimes we actually just need to be the alchemist.
We need to move the energy, whether whether that's like move on and keep marketing,
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move on, do other things, move on, get outside.
But I feel like if we stay in a perpetual state of resistance,
whether that's in our head of like, what if this happens or when these things
happen, if we're just staying in the contraction, then like you said,
we're going to keep experiencing these things.
I had to say that because I feel like that what you resist persists has just
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been in my field so much this week, you know, when you have kind of a theme
and it just keeps coming up.
So I'm like, Like I have to say it because it feels like a code for this episode.
And in terms of where I hang out, I would say primarily Facebook and Instagram.
So my brand is soul meets strategy.
So that's my handle on Instagram, on TikTok. It's my website.
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And then on Facebook, it's just me, my name, Jennifer Madden.
And I do love making new connections and like-minded friends.
So anyone listening to this, hit me up. Would love to be friends with you.
Yeah, she's amazing, you guys. like I said, we've been connected for a long
time. She hasn't pissed me off yet. So no, I'm kidding.
She really is. She's a sweetheart. It's funny because there's another Jenna
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that I used to get mixed up with her and I'd be like, nice Jenna and mean Jenna.
This is nice Jenna. So there you go. There's a little, there's a little tidbit into, into my world.
So thank you so much for being here, Jenna. You've been amazing.
This conversation was just the, you know, the medicine that I needed in this time.
So I appreciate you so much in sharing your empath heart and soul with us.
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Thanks for having me absolutely and that will do it for another episode of the
magnetic goddess podcast until next time may you be happy may you be healthy
may you be safe and of course may you be at peace namaste.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the Magnetic Goddess podcast.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, Magnetic Goddess. I have an amazing guest today.
This gal and I, we've been connected for a really long time.
She likes my posts. I like her posts. We definitely vibe.
We definitely have a lot in common. I've got Jenna Faye Madden here.
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She is an energetic business strategist and she is an empath like me.
So given everything that's going on in the world right now, at the time of this
recording, I definitely am really grateful that she's the person that came up
in the rotation to speak with today because she's amazing.
And I know that we're going to have a fabulous conversation.
We had a conversation beforehand about whether we should even do this today.
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And we came to the conclusion that it's better to lead with integrity and vulnerability.
And so we're here for you, despite everything going on.
You're listening to The Magnetic Goddess, a podcast for women who are ready
to step into their power and live their best lives.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and I'm here to guide and inspire you to
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take the journey back to your higher self.
We'll talk about everything from personal development to career growth to relationships.
We'll share tips, tools, and strategies that will help you become the most confident,
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We'll also talk to inspiring women who have already achieved their dreams and
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We'll learn from their stories and discover what it takes to create a life that is truly fulfilling.
I believe that every woman has the potential to be a magnetic goddess.
She has the power to attract anything she wants in life, and she can create
her birthright of abundance.
I'm here to help you tap into that inner goddess and live your best life.
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I'm so excited to have you on this journey with me.
Let's start living our best lives together as magnetic goddesses.
Welcome, Jenna. Thank you so much, Amy Lee, for having me here with you today
and for us to have a real raw conversation.
I'm really excited to see what comes through. And like you said,
we've been connected for so long.
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So it also feels really special to spend some time together and co-create.
Absolutely. I think I love the way you said that to co-create. Absolutely.
So just to get us started, energetic business strategist, that sounds like a real dream job, right?
But like, how did you get to be doing that in the world?
Like, I imagine you didn't start there. Like, tell me how the trajectory of
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getting to that title. title.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I wish I just woke up one day and been like,
that's what I want to be when I grow up.
But yeah, like most or all of us, I feel like my journey really started about seven years ago.
And the Cliff Notes version of that is I had zero entrepreneurial vision,
plan, didn't even really know it could be a possible path for me.
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So I put myself through university.
It was in corporate, in a soul-sucking job, did not love it.
And kind of like the gateway drug for me was network marketing,
but really 10 years ago this year.
And that led me into a path of, oh my God, like there's other options out there.
There's other things out there. So I started going to conferences.
I started getting into personal development. And long story short,
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left my corporate job seven years ago, basically to the date from when we're
recording this. And I had no real plan, had no savings.
And my kind of bridge into entrepreneurship to keep my expanding beyond my MLM
business was to become a personal trainer and a spiritual life coach, healer kind of person.
So I jumped into that and then about
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a year after starting more of my businesses and
my own stuff I started traveling full-time which I'm
still doing now six years later and kind
of realized at that point I had to start learning how to move things online
which is what I did but I also found over time that actually pretty quickly
a lot of women were like wait how did you quit your job and how did you find
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your purpose and how did you start your business and things kind of came full
circle where I realized that it's just kind of like personal training and nutrition, all these things.
I was pretty good at it, but I'm a lot better.
I feel like at helping people go forth and multiply, so to speak,
like where they're good at it.
And my actual skills and expertise I realized was a lot more on the leadership
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business side of things than it was the like actual doing the healing sessions
or the nutrition consults or the PT sessions.
So So, yeah, it's been a evolution ever since then to grow my brand,
my company now known as Soul Meets Strategy to really kind of bridge those things,
bring in the grounded energy.
Bring in the actual practical strategy, bring in the feminine,
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the masculine and basically bring those two worlds together.
It's crazy how parallel that is to my own experience because mine,
I think I left my five years ago, about two weeks ago.
And yeah, same. I was so inspired to be a visionary,
to inspire women to have it all, all the law of attraction stuff that when this
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MLM was in its infancy, well, I thought it was in its infancy.
I was one of the first thousand people in the company.
I definitely felt that calling of like, okay, I can take this vehicle and do this work.
At a certain point, I was like, this is not the vehicle for this work anymore.
And I made a pivot. And it's just interesting that we share that in common because
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I think that network marketing can absolutely be a stepping stone,
a catapult for personal development, professional development,
because I think it gives you this opportunity to be a leader in a vacuum and
then kind of like take your leadership out of the vacuum.
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What I find is sometimes that the disheartening part about it is that,
especially when you first leave, people assume that the only reason that you're
successful in what you're doing is because you had a big team,
right? Like, oh, well, you had a big team.
So, and it's interesting, like when I look back at like Like now at my client
base, I don't think any... Well, maybe one of the people in my membership is
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still affiliated with that company.
And here we are 5 years later, in your case, 10 years later, and...
We're, we're thriving in what we're doing completely independent of that energy,
you know? I think that's such a good point. Yeah.
Cause when I think back to, there was very few people from my team that came
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with me into kind of this other world and this other side of things.
And it definitely did not really correlate at all in terms of my growth or my success.
Like it had had nothing really to do with the team that I had built.
And a lot of those people are still within that company. It's funny because
I still even use that company's products, but it just stopped.
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I just didn't want to be basically a cleanse coach, nutrition coach for people
at a certain point too, where I realized that there was something else,
there was something bigger.
And it's kind of full circle though at the same time, because in the more recent
months and years, I started doing a lot more like affiliate marketing,
but it's such a different energy.
I don't know if you have found this, but now, you know, I have lots of like
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little affiliate passive things
going of recommending softwares and things that I use for my clients.
And then that has built up, but even like some products, but now it's,
it's like, it's not hidden.
It's not this, like I'm building a team. It's literally like,
oh yeah, these are the things I use and love if you want to use them too.
Versus back then, I remember taking photos of things and like hiding the company
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name and being like, message me for a BOGO.
You know what I'm like? I feel like those days are kind of done, at least for me.
Yeah. And in the company that I was in, you couldn't be photographed on social
media wearing anybody else's clothing.
So I remember being like, oh gosh, there's a picture of me that someone tagged
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me in and I have jeans on and I'm not allowed to wear jeans.
And when I finally left that company, I went to actually went to a different
clothing company because I just liked their clothes.
And I wasn't doing it for the leadership aspect. I was doing it for the discount, full disclosure.
And I remember asking the CEO, like, so wait, I can wear whatever I want.
Like, I don't have to wear these clothes. And they're like, no,
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like, why would you have to wear a clothes?
Like, we don't want you to feel like you have to wear it. But like in this other
company, it was like, so-and-so, you know, the owner of the company saw this picture of you online.
You need to take it down because you're not wearing their clothes.
And so that was our version of that. We were allowed to talk about it all day
long. In fact, Fun story.
I was actually one of the people who was really instrumental in making it so
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we were allowed to sell our brand online.
Because for a really long time, our company was like, No, we're not doing it
that way. They didn't understand it.
And because of me being a military wife and a bunch of other people who had
various reasons why they couldn't go do pop-up parties, we were able to do that.
And it became a billion-dollar business as a result of all the online selling we did. it.
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So that innovation that they were afraid was going to be the end of their business.
Ended up being the thing that, you know, made it so they could buy a private
jet or whatever. So that's incredible.
And I think such a good point, you know, that these, it's not like network marketing is right or wrong.
And I mean, I still think in many ways, it can be such a great business and model and tool.
But I think the big thing I've seen is it really just can be such a great catalyst for people.
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And like the downfall can be that many of us get kind of sucked up in it where
it's like our whole identity.
And I think what's really beautiful is seeing people embrace that they can have
their own identity and products and totally be a part of it.
But I love seeing leaders really stepping into their leadership.
And so it's like that double edged, you know, pros and cons side of the spectrum
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where some people don't see their power and potential and they just kind of
stay in that environment,
even though So there's more calling them, but also so many of us,
I feel like it was exactly what we needed that has opened up so, so much more.
And I know for me, it's definitely helped me become a better leader.
And even though there was a lot of things I learned that I would not do anymore
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through that, I feel like it's kind of like dating.
Like we kind of learn what we want as women through what we don't want.
And so it was, it was really such a beautiful growth accelerator for me that
I'm actually just, I'm so grateful for.
Yeah, I would, I would have to say that too. I mean, in my case,
there was some trauma that went
along with that and maybe a little bit of gaslighting and a cult behavior.
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But other than that, I definitely think I did learn a lot.
What I think is really interesting is when you're a leader in a multi-level
marketing or direct sales,
there's this idea that you're supposed to keep the personality of you on the
inside and lead with the company, lead with the company's values,
usually with the company's dreams, desires, and all the things.
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And you're supposed to keep the vulnerability at a minimum because your team should look up to you.
They shouldn't really see that fallibleness in you, right?
Like that humanity makes you look bad as a leader in that space.
And I think what's interesting is that when you get out into the real world
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and in the coaching world, maybe it's not the real world, but the coaching world,
it's almost like you're are now expected to grow under a microscope.
Like now it's like, I want to see all their vulnerability.
I want to hear all of the stories. I want to know what you're going through.
That's going to make me follow you. Versus in MLM, where it's like,
I don't want to know any of that.
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I want you to be an influencer through and through.
And more the company, I think, feels that way, right? Like the company is like,
we don't want to see any of your scars.
We don't want to see any of the imperfections of you. You're, you're towing the line.
Then you get out there and you're on your own boss. And it's like,
how are you going to connect to these people if you can't express that humanity
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and that growth over, you know, over the time?
And I don't know if I've really articulated that or understood that,
but just having this conversation with you, I think it's, would you agree with that?
Definitely. Yeah. I feel like there's kind of two extremes here that happen
because there's like the identity of kind of the company and essentially being
a salesperson versus being our own salesperson of our own brand.
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And yeah, like you said, and I think now more than ever, like even compared
to five years ago, two years ago, people want intimacy. They want to feel people's humanity.
I mean, we've got the rise of AI. We've just got so many crazy evolution things
going on right now. And I feel like more than ever as consumers,
which we all are, we like want to feel someone's heart. We want to feel who they are.
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And I feel like, too, there's this difference, though, between because I hear
this from clients a lot, like, oh, I have to tell everyone everything online.
Like, I can't keep anything private. it. I'm like, well, I think there's a big
difference between what I call sacred privacy, where we just,
we don't have to share it.
And we're solid in that versus there's like shame attached to it,
but it would actually set us free to share some more than what we're sharing.
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And I think sometimes we put ourselves in these little boxes online and we're
like, okay, I have my content buckets.
You know, I'm going to talk about this thing and that thing and how it relates to my coaching thing.
And then people wonder why people aren't buying, but they can't,
it's like nothing really makes you different from somebody
else even if you have the best offer because they can't feel
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you but then at the other side of the spectrum we can't
just use our social media as like a journal entry where we just dump on there
and so I feel like it's like such a dance in my experience of sharing and leading
more which I agree like especially in the coaching industry like that that is
kind of one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle is being more us online Yeah.
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And I think that came full circle for me this week, you know,
with everything that's going on in Israel, being a Jewish woman,
I used to be a lot more political, a lot more activist online for the various causes that I belong to.
I know this because every time I look at my Facebook memories,
I'm like, cringe, cringe, cringe.
This would not align with where I am right now and whatever.
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But I really had to think about how was I going to...
Respond to what was going on as a Jewish woman, right?
Because with everything going on, like there's so many echoes of what happened
during the Holocaust for, from a Jewish perspective.
Notwithstanding the fact that everything that's going on with Palestine,
like I do not for one second condone the, the elimination of any innocence anywhere at any point.
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And then this isn't, you know, this isn't a, a what's the word I'm looking for
consolation to that, but But I had to say something.
And it was the first time in a long time that I actually commented in any way.
And that was hard for me because I think there are probably a lot of people in my audience,
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as it is now that don't necessarily believe or have the same ideals.
Maybe ideals isn't right right? Because my audience would, but maybe they don't
agree politically, right?
With how I feel on the situation.
And for me to stand up and say that the way that I did, I think that in some
ways that may have been alienating, but in some ways it was like a true test
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of the vulnerability of me as a coach.
And I know that you and I share a lot of values.
Obviously, human rights is one of them, but also other things,
right? Crunchy things, mom things.
And I'm just curious, what is your take on how do you stand in your power, in your authenticity,
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knowing that there will be aspects of you that will turn certain clients off,
that will potentially...
I mean, we'll alienate you from certain individuals.
Like, how do you fortify yourself in knowing that that's okay and deal with
that uncomfortability, I guess?
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Yeah, this is such a good question. I feel like this is so my arena as well,
because especially over the last couple years,
like from 2020 to now, I've gone through my own waves of how outspoken I am
or choose not not to be through this.
And I mean, through that, I've, I mean, I've been censored more than I can count.
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I've had Instagram accounts deleted on me, et cetera, et cetera.
And what I've realized through the process was a couple of things.
Number one, I feel like most of us are self-censoring ourselves,
you know, and not saying what we want to say.
So before we can even really shift the censorship online around like political
views and all these things, I'm like, well, we need to like clear that stuff
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within us first and foremost.
And I think with that being said, at least in my experience,
I've had, I've had people unfollow me.
Like I looked just the other day and I didn't even post anything that like wild,
but I lost 20 followers and it wasn't even anything really all that crazy.
But I mean, I've had a lot of people unfollow me over the years.
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I even think of my wedding, which was four years ago from this month.
And we had 80 people there and probably 60 of of them don't talk to us anymore
because we had differing views from them of what's gone on.
I know what those views are. I support you.
There's been a lot of that. I've had hate emails. I've had projections.
I've had a lot. But what I will say is I would say 80% of my clients who come
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to me, they say something to me along the lines of.
We share similar values or I saw you spoke out about X.
So I knew I wanted to hire you. So it's like they obviously value my business
expertise or what have you, but it's like that personal human connection.
And I've also had women say, well, we don't exactly share the same views and I'm okay with that.
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Like we can both think our own things, but the fact that you hold your views
and you share your views and you're not really wavering in those things,
like really gave me a lot of of strength or I didn't really get it before, but I do now.
So I guess for me, even though it's been for sure hard at moments,
I also feel like I've gotten a lot of evidence and strength from seeing that
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it's strengthening and supporting other people to stand in their truth.
And so I feel like on a practical level, I definitely do like a lot of shielding
and just like moving the energy and stuff.
Cause like you, I'm really empathic. So I can, I can really deeply feel those
things and hold on to them.
But I also feel like it's so beneficial to hold strong on that while dancing with it.
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Like now I find I kind of weigh the pros and cons where I'm like, how should I say this?
How much should I say? And it's not even about my own self-expression so much now.
It's more about like playing on big tech and making sure that my accounts stay alive at this point.
I know, seriously. It's crazy. I mean, I'm a Facebook power admin,
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which means I'm recognized as one of the people that Facebook is like,
okay, this person knows how to build groups, right?
And if they only knew my true belief about Facebook, my true opinions about
the way that the censorship goes and the way that it favors,
they probably wouldn't want me in their community.
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I mentioned there's a lot of us, but like I said, this was my first time in
a really... And I used to be very vocal about this. I used to be very...
You know, advocating for this particular cause.
And I, and I got really quiet about it for a long time because I just felt as
though, you know, it wasn't serving
my business, but here I am in a place where I don't have the luxury.
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I mean, like, what, what, what do I say to the 6 million people who were murdered?
Like, sorry, you know, my business, my livelihood, like, where do you,
where do you draw the line? And, and for me, this was the line.
And, and I definitely got some flack on my I stand with Israel post from some
people. Oh yeah, I'll have to send you screenshots.
You will be like, yeah, because of course, after the hair flip,
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the person blocked me and then nobody else could see the comments,
but I took screenshots of them.
So I'll have to show you, you be floored. And be like, which side of the aisle
are you on? Like this was very out there.
And it's interesting too. And I feel like I can have this conversation with
you specifically, my little brother, who I adore.
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He's actually moving today out of my house. He's been here for three years,
but he has a show on YouTube and he basically makes a living on YouTube.
Criticizing and like roasting other podcasts, people, specifically people on
like the Howard Stern show and all this stuff.
And, and the other day, my little brother, and I'm going to use a word that's
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not appropriate, but I just want to say at the beginning, I'm a special needs
mom. So I want you to understand, audience, as I say this word,
it's very emotionally charged for me.
And I don't take it lightly, but I need you to understand this man criticized
my little brother on this YouTube and said that my little brother,
who he's not that little, he's 37.
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But he said that my brother was a retard who had broken brain and ate out of the trash.
And just matter of factly speaking about another human being like this,
And my brother was unfazed. He's like, yeah, I know. Isn't that great?
Like he shouted me out on his show. I'm going to get so many views.
And I'm just like, I can't even conceive of a world where someone could say
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that about me and I could giggle about it or I could laugh about it.
And so knowing you and how much more on the front lines you are of this advocacy,
of doing the work of standing in your beliefs,
I have to say, Jenna, I'm in awe of you because my my body couldn't hold that
kind of vitriol, you know, like I couldn't like my little brother,
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he's like, Oh, it doesn't bother me at all. I think it's hilarious.
And I'm just like, I remember when I was in the MLM and the things that people
said when I left and the vicious, horrible things they said,
even when I'm still in it, you know, people who had left and,
and the trolling and the energy of the anger.
And now what's going on with this conflict. And I'm just like.
Really, I'm in awe. Like, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you can
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be the gentle, kind, loving person you are.
And at the same time, absorb all of that and transmute it.
Like, do you have any, you know, and I usually ask people, you know,
what makes you a magnetic goddess? But like, I think this is your thing.
I think the way you alchemize this, this swampy energy and continue to be the
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light worker that you are i think that is your magnetism and so i guess what
i want to know is from an energetic somatic standpoint how do you.
Move that through your body without letting it destroy
you without feeling like you've got to go hide wow well
first thank you thanks for the compliment and
for witnessing me and as you were saying that it was just giving me this like
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flash flood of like all these like just
over the the years the scenarios that have
come up and I mean it's been everything you know from like
haters on videos but even things
like it wasn't all that long ago it was two to three
years ago that we had this like crazy stalker scenario
where someone they they definitely
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had some mental health challenges and they were attacking me online and my husband
to the point where they were trying to of track like where we were traveling
and living and they were posting in facebook like local facebook groups yeah
yeah and like basically like they saw we were online coaches and they.
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Don't understand what that is so they associate that on maybe they've had a
bad experience with someone i don't know but they assumed that we were con artists
so they were literally posting and like had saved my profile photo of me and
my husband posting in local facebook groups being Like if you see these people like steer clear,
they're con artists, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, who are you people?
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And that actually went on, on and off for like a year and a half where it would
stop and then it would resurface because they would make another account and
look at where we were traveling to and.
Do the whole thing. And to be honest, like it created a lot of contraction in me seeing that happen.
And also just a lot of kind of anxiety as of wondering, and you know,
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you know, one likes to feel like they're going to be cast out.
And I'm thinking, oh, like we, you know, we're here to make community.
We're here to make connections.
We're not con artists, like, you know, all these crazy things.
And I mean, that's just one of many scenarios I've encountered with crazy people.
Projecting and stuff over the years.
And I really found like I had to come back into my vision and my mission.
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Like my motto has always been for years now, hold the vision,
not the circumstances, because I feel like the bigger our mission becomes.
The bigger our business becomes, the bigger our visibility becomes.
These things never really stop and go away.
And I feel like the more our leadership expands, the more we have to dance with
like, okay, well, maybe I should should speak into this.
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Maybe I shouldn't. And also maybe sometimes our views don't really go with the
grain of things that are out there.
And like, for me, you know, even just on like political kinds of things,
it's like, I have empathy and I can see, I feel like a lot of what's going on,
but I'm also really good in my opinion of like zooming out and seeing like the
higher level perspective here of like what's happening on like a human level
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on the earth earth realm where I'm like, it's so sad, these things that happen.
And I feel like it continues to fuel the separation consciousness and agenda on this planet.
And then I see it happening on these like microscopic levels,
like social media, where people attack each other.
I was literally chatting with my husband, he just had another video go really viral.
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And so with that came lots of weird comments. And I always kind of laugh.
I'm like, are these even real people? like they seem like bots like
the photos it's like billy john joe and it's like you
can't see his face with his middle finger i'm like is that even a real
person you know and i look at this stuff and
i just have to realign and like realign and
realign like on the white facebook page they're like
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yeah okay you're yeah okay right and i
just realign and i think well kind of like you said with your younger brother
i'm like well at least they're boosting us in the algorithm and so i try to
think of this from like a higher self perspective where it's always easy and
even those people that were stalking us that was like one of the harder ones
but i think like what like what's the higher.
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Lesson here like what's the opportunity like it
has to be happening for a reason and it's not just suffering I
don't believe that God the divine the
higher power wants us to just suffer like there's always something there
for us so I really always try to without obsessing I like try to look at like
what's the lesson or the opportunity how did I potentially allow this or create
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this especially if I'm talking on like an individual not like big collective
things kind of issue but but like say on social media,
it's like, how did I allow this into my space?
Because I remember talking to a mentor a long time ago and asking him,
because at this point I constantly had clients ghosting, bouncing on payments,
et cetera, et cetera. And I'm like, what do you do when this happens?
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He's like, it just doesn't really happen to me. I'm like, what?
And he's like, I'm just not really available for that. I'm like, that's an option.
And it's kind of funny to think years down the road where I think,
yeah, that very rarely happens to me now.
And so I really feel like a lot of the things that have happened is on some
level I was kind of receptive and allowing it in.
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And also I was allowing myself to take it on as my truth.
I feel like when we get super triggered by things on social media,
I'm like, well, what part of me believes that this is true, which is why I'm
feeling some sort of emotional charge or what part of me fears that that this
is true or how everyone perceives me. And now I'm taking it on as truth.
So I don't know, a bit of a tangent, but that's what comes through.
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No, I don't think it was a tangent at all. I think it was powerful.
And I think that it went exactly where it needed to go. And I think you're absolutely right.
As within, so without, right? So all of a sudden the other day,
I woke up to two different people commenting.
I haven't had drama on my stuff in a long time.
But the The moment that I put myself out there, you know, is when my brain goes,
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oh, we're putting ourself out there.
And now I'm an energetic match for people to complain about it.
But before I wasn't doing that.
So it wasn't that I wasn't saying controversial things. It was that I wasn't
energetically afraid because there was nothing to fight with.
And then incidentally, there was another post that that happened on because
of the thing that happened with the, you know, on the world stage.
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So it's crazy. I mean, we really are energetically attuned or not to certain
things coming into our world and to do the work you do and to be the voice that you are,
I guess there's an aspect of you that just knows that that comes with the territory
because if it didn't, then you're not really making an impact because you're surrounded by,
(29:49):
you know, what do they call Call it, you're in a, you know, everybody around you agrees with you.
An echo chamber, that's it. Yeah, yeah, totally.
And so if you're in an echo chamber, then you're really not doing anything.
If you're surrounded by people who have what you have, then it's like,
what's the point? How am I going to help people here?
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So you do have this certain expectation that there's going to be friction and
go into it with your sword up and your shield and you're like,
let's go, you know? And I just think that that's so, I guess I've never really gotten to say that.
I think I've said it on a couple of your posts, but here's me saying it personally,
that the work that you do is really powerful and certainly not for the faint
(30:31):
of heart. So thank you for that.
So how do people get ahold of you if they want to get into your world?
If they're like, oh my gosh, I already know what you're saying and I'm all over it.
How do they get in touch with you? How do they hook up with you?
Yes. Okay. I'll answer that. Yeah. And one thought I have to share from what
you said is, yes, this has been in my field so much lately.
And it feels like kind of the perfect thought before we transition out of this
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is what we resist persists. I'm sure you, I'm sure other people have heard this before.
And I feel like when we have these charges that happen with our emotions,
when stuff happens, it's like sometimes we actually just need to be in the emotions
and we need to process it. We need to heal.
And then sometimes we actually just need to be the alchemist.
We need to move the energy, whether whether that's like move on and keep marketing,
(31:16):
move on, do other things, move on, get outside.
But I feel like if we stay in a perpetual state of resistance,
whether that's in our head of like, what if this happens or when these things
happen, if we're just staying in the contraction, then like you said,
we're going to keep experiencing these things.
I had to say that because I feel like that what you resist persists has just
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been in my field so much this week, you know, when you have kind of a theme
and it just keeps coming up.
So I'm like, Like I have to say it because it feels like a code for this episode.
And in terms of where I hang out, I would say primarily Facebook and Instagram.
So my brand is soul meets strategy.
So that's my handle on Instagram, on TikTok. It's my website.
(31:58):
And then on Facebook, it's just me, my name, Jennifer Madden.
And I do love making new connections and like-minded friends.
So anyone listening to this, hit me up. Would love to be friends with you.
Yeah, she's amazing, you guys. like I said, we've been connected for a long
time. She hasn't pissed me off yet. So no, I'm kidding.
She really is. She's a sweetheart. It's funny because there's another Jenna
(32:20):
that I used to get mixed up with her and I'd be like, nice Jenna and mean Jenna.
This is nice Jenna. So there you go. There's a little, there's a little tidbit into, into my world.
So thank you so much for being here, Jenna. You've been amazing.
This conversation was just the, you know, the medicine that I needed in this time.
So I appreciate you so much in sharing your empath heart and soul with us.
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Thanks for having me absolutely and that will do it for another episode of the
magnetic goddess podcast until next time may you be happy may you be healthy
may you be safe and of course may you be at peace namaste.
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