April 26, 2024 • 19 mins
In this episode of the Magnetic Goddess Podcast, I chatted with Ahna De Vena, a sleep therapist who turned her struggle with insomnia into a career dedicated to improving sleep for others. Ahna explains the importance of sleep education and shares practical advice for making sleep a valued and enjoyable part of life, especially for parents and children. She emphasizes the transformative power of viewing sleep positively and provides insights into her upcoming book and programs aimed at enhancing sleep quality for all ages.
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(00:00):
Welcome back to the Magnetic Goddess Podcast.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and today I have a fabulous guest for you.
She is a sleep therapist and educator.
Anna Devena is here with us, and I'm so glad to welcome her for you guys.
You're listening to the Magnetic Goddess, a podcast for women who are ready
(00:21):
to step into their power and live their best lives.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and I'm here to guide and inspire I inspire
you to take the journey back to your higher self.
We'll talk about everything from personal development to career growth to relationships.
We'll share tips, tools, and strategies that will help you become the most confident,
successful, and magnetic version of yourself.
(00:44):
We'll also talk to inspiring women who have already achieved their dreams and
are living their best lives.
We'll learn from their stories and discover what it takes to create a life that
is truly fulfilling. filling.
I believe that every woman has the potential to be a magnetic goddess.
She has the power to attract anything she wants in life, and she can create
(01:06):
her birthright of abundance.
I'm here to help you tap into that inner goddess and live your best life.
I'm so excited to have you on this journey with me.
Let's start living our best lives together as magnetic goddesses.
Welcome, Anna. Hannah. Hello. Thank you for having me. So lovely to be here.
(01:28):
Absolutely. And we love having you. So tell me, how does somebody become a sleep therapist?
Well, the way I became a sleep therapist is that I had insomnia as a child and
young adult, and that resulted in me getting very sick.
And I was offered medication that I was told I'd need to take forever.
(01:49):
And I said, no. and I did a lot of study and I cured myself of those illnesses
and also in that process became a great sleeper and realized that a lot of people
are suffering with this issue and there's very little help.
So I've dedicated the last 22 years to helping others get great sleep. I started with kids.
(02:14):
I just thought this should be taught in school.
We're meant to spend a third of our lives asleep, but we're never given a sleep education.
So I went into schools and I did that for many years and then I started to work
with adults and then companies and now I have a charity also that is focused on children.
(02:37):
But yeah, it's my life.
I love that. That's such a cool legacy to have that you taught people how to
sleep and educate them. And it's true.
I mean, it goes right along with a lot of the other things that they don't teach
in school, right? They don't teach you how to balance your checkbook.
They don't teach you how to time management.
(02:57):
They don't teach you those things. And so sleep is one of the things.
Speaking of which, a question I have for you, because you're here and you might Might as well ask.
Something that my husband and I struggle with a lot, and I think a lot of people
out there struggle with who have little kids, is what we call revenge procrastination.
(03:18):
So everybody's in bed and it's like, I have free time to myself and I just want to stay up.
I want to watch TV or I want to play, in my husband's case, he wants to play video games.
And sometimes he'll come to bed
at like 5 a.m. and he's going to be up to take the baby to school at 8.
And I'm like, what did you do all night and I
think that you know that tends to be
(03:40):
something that a lot of people struggle with not just us do you
do you have any tips or tricks for that and you
know any I guess like a mindset shift because you know when I think about it
I'm like oh my kids are finally in bed I can fight I mean I don't want to work
that's when I finally want to watch a show or binge something or whatever but
(04:00):
the next morning man you're just like why did I do that I'm too old for this.
Yeah, it's a really common issue that people choose activities other than sleep in their time.
So, you know, you just have this window of time that's yours.
(04:21):
And there are a lot of things that you want to do in that window of time.
It's very natural, especially as a parent.
I've worked with a lot of parents. My favorite people to work with are parents and business owners.
And when it's a combination it's like jackpot i really love it so you you have
(04:42):
these desires and you have things that you want to do in that time and when you think about sleep,
you probably don't think of it as the immensely valuable pleasurable healing
rejuvenating activity,
(05:04):
even because it's a non-activity, that it is.
And so it's really about our perspective on sleep and taking that moment to consciously ask,
is what I'm about to do worth me feeling like crap tomorrow?
(05:24):
That's one hack or tip to actually just pause and say, look,
I can do this thing and the price I'll have to pay is I'm going to be groggy,
probably foggy headed and a bit grumpy tomorrow.
You know, like, and sometimes you'll be like, no, I'm doing it. I'm watching it.
(05:44):
But when you actually take that time to acknowledge what you're giving up by
choosing an activity other than sleep,
then, you know, you've got more of a chance of choosing sleep or putting a time limit.
That is hard when we watch shows because even if we say, I'm just going to watch
(06:07):
one episode, episode there is this thing that happens in our brain that makes
it very hard for us to press the stop button.
Just for that the little hack that I suggest is on Netflix or any of those platforms
you can create a setting like you can change your settings so that it doesn't
(06:28):
automatically play the next episode so that at least you have to move your body.
Before the next episode starts playing.
So there's lots of little things you can do like that. But the main thing,
as you said, it's a mindset shift.
And it's also like a value shift where you fully acknowledge the immense value
(06:54):
of sleep and how much it gives you in your waking life.
You know, how much of a better, well, just general person you can be.
But, you know, how much of a better friend, parent, partner,
you know, business owner, everything.
There's not one aspect that fantastic quality sleep doesn't impact in our life.
(07:19):
It's so true. And it's interesting. I wrote a post about yesterday about resting
and how much guilt I would have just from resting.
Like my husband walked in and I was watching a show in the middle of the day
and I'd be like, I already did this. Then he's like, I don't care.
I don't care. You get to rest.
And it's interesting as women, there's such a stigma attached to the idea of resting.
(07:41):
Like, how dare I still sleep? You know, like, why am I not,
you know, if this is still going or that you know this thing
isn't done the generation you know before
us is like well then why did you go to who you know
going to sleep with the kitchen dirty going to sleep with
this done going to sleep without this done and it's like at what
point do we do you
(08:02):
know do we recognize that burning the candle at both ends is kind of creating
a lot more problems it's creating all kinds of things I mean I don't know how
much it's been studied and you would but But the correlation between a lack
of sleep and illness and disease and all those things,
not to mention, like you said, the foggy-headedness.
(08:22):
But my question, though, is for us who are raising children and conscious parents.
Obviously, this idea of sleep being something yucky kind of was put into us
from when we were little, right?
Having to go to bed early or it's time for bed.
The toys are going away and the play is going away. What are some tips and tricks
you have, just a couple for parents to help their children start to value sleep from an early age?
(08:49):
Because I know for us with education, being homeschoolers, being unschoolers,
we've always been, my husband and I have always been all about learning for
the sake of learning. You know, we don't create rewards.
It's not like you need to go do your math. It's like, how amazing is it that you know how to do this?
And so our children value education beyond anything.
(09:10):
So I would love some tips and tricks for like how to shift into valuing sleep
the way that you said that you do now. Yeah.
So I've just finished a book called The Good Sleep Guide for Parents.
It's part of my sleep kit for kids.
And that is full of practical knowledge and skills that parents can use to not
(09:35):
only improve their child's sleep and make bedtime an enjoyable time for everyone,
but also have that value shift in themselves.
Which you asked me, one of your early questions in this little piece was how
can we help our kids understand the value of sleep and value sleep?
(09:57):
So the first thing is to embody that yourself.
So when you live your life that way, it will just, it will naturally cascade
into your communication with your kids.
So if you're living in that way that we described in that very first little
piece, they're going to feel that.
(10:18):
You know, they're going to feel your relationship to sleep. They're going to
feel your own like, ah, God, I'd rather do anything else.
And so I always, and the first, the book's in three parts, is that it really
starts with you and what you're embodying.
So that's the first piece of that.
(10:38):
And, you know, inviting children to dreamland, you know, and telling them that
this is going to make you like a superhero.
It's going to help your brain become an incredible brain.
It's going to help you to integrate everything you've learned today so that
(11:00):
when you wake up tomorrow, you're embodying it and you remember it and it's
stored in the library in your brain.
And, you know, inviting them to even the beauty in the dark.
One of the chapters, so my sleep kit has two books and one of the books for
the children and they learn nine skills for being able to calm down in bed and
(11:23):
fall asleep one of them is befriending the dark,
and talking to them about what's beautiful in the dark sorry I said I'm 41 years
old and I'm still afraid of the dark so I'm anxious to hear this one yeah so
befriending the dark for a child can start with telling them,
(11:44):
you know, the dark can be scary because it can contain anything.
Absolutely anything.
And so our imagination is at play in the dark.
But there are things that actually exist in the dark, like magic.
If we look outside, we can see the stars in the sky and sometimes we can see
(12:09):
the moon and we can hear the symphony of insects that sing at night and,
you know, bringing them into the beautiful aspects that actually exist in the
night and then helping them use their imagination in a positive way.
So there's other pieces in the book like Your Heart, Friend and the Softness Game.
(12:33):
Game they tend to be favorites and they're
games and things that children can connect
with when they're in bed on their own so
it's kind of and then for
adults befriending the dark is has other dimensions you know the dark is a metaphor
for the great mystery that we live in we don't know you know we don't know and
(12:58):
so we come face to face with that when we turn all the the lights off and we turn the devices off,
we come face to face with our not knowing and with the great mystery that life is.
And we're not resting, like you said.
And so we're not engaging with that in our waking lives.
(13:20):
You know, we're not exhaling long enough to feel the mystery and to feel the beauty in that.
And so when we start to connect with it, then usually there's fear there because
we're just not used to that spaciousness and kind of feeling everything.
That's what I think the dark really invites us to do is feel everything.
(13:42):
And the dark is also a medicine. The dark is the most potent sleeping pill.
We have a part in our brain called the suprachrismatic nucleus,
and that is connected to brain cells in our eyes.
And those brain cells are called retinal
ganglion cells and they read the amount
(14:05):
of light in the environment that we're in
and that light sends a signal to
the suprachrismatic nucleus which then says okay this is how much light there
is and and depending on how much light there is will send another signal either
to our adrenal cortex to make cortisol and keep us awake or really wake us up,
(14:30):
or to our pineal gland,
which will start producing melatonin.
And so the da is really our gateway to so much health and vitality and really good quality sleep.
Which results in those things. So yeah, I could talk forever about sleep.
(14:54):
It's such an incredibly nuanced and deep topic.
Yeah. No, I love it. I think it's so powerful and it's interesting because we do that a little bit.
Like my 11 year old, you know, she's been watching movies in her eyes since
she was a little girl and she just loves to go to sleep and pick out what the
story she's going to tell herself.
(15:15):
And I think, you know, I kind of started doing that when I was as a little girl,
my sister and I would just kind of start to talk as we fell asleep about what
our lives were going to be like
when we grew up and what our houses were going to be like and bringing.
And now, you know, I use embodied visualization in my coaching and I'm like,
wow, that all came from getting into sleep and getting into that mode of relaxation
(15:37):
and mental rehearsal, right?
So it's just interesting as you're talking, I'm like, wow, that's very full circle.
So you'll have the link for the books and the programs and all that in the show notes, right?
Like we're going to put all that in there. That's okay to do that?
Yeah, actually that sleep kit, I've given it away through my charity up until now.
(15:58):
I've given over a thousand of them away.
And there's a scientific study being done to prove that it works because I give
that kit to charities that take care of children who've experienced some kind of trauma.
It's the initial reason I made it. but it helps all kinds.
It even helps adults to sleep, the original little book called the Sleep and
(16:22):
Dream book, but it's going to be released to the general public this year.
So what I can do is just, I'll give my link and people can connect with me.
And then yeah, as soon as it's ready, I might actually create a wait list for it.
Yeah. I think you should, because I think a lot of moms are going to listen
to this and be like, oh my gosh, I need to get my hands on that.
(16:44):
Because Because really, it is such a point of stress and such a place of friction
for parents with their children that it doesn't have to be.
And I just imagine, what would it be like for all the kids to just shuffle off
to bed and say, Mom, I don't want to.
And I mean, to be fair, I have five of them. Some of them are better about it.
(17:09):
Like my 11-year-old, she goes right to bed. She has her iPad and stuff like
that that she can have for the last hour before she actually goes to sleep.
And some of them really do enjoy going off to sleep.
Some of them still wake up in the middle of the night. My six-year-old is in
my bed almost every morning. So that's a whole thing.
But you're absolutely right. It is such a powerful thing to be able to...
(17:34):
See sleep as an asset, see it as something that, you know, the more I sleep,
the more money I make, or the more I sleep, the more, you know,
the more embodied I am as a parent, you know, the more I am making myself available for my partner.
I mean, I can just think of so many affirmations that you can just throw sleep into.
So this is, yeah, this has been absolutely amazing. And thank you so much for joining us.
(17:59):
Seriously, if people want to get ahold of you before they they get the sleep
kit and you know just to get into your world what do they do where do they go
so they can go to my website which is sleepwellandthrive.com so that's sleepwellandthrive.com.
And they can find me on facebook instagram
(18:23):
through that same title sleep
well and thrive and yeah I have a
group coaching program have a corporate program have
lots of things that I offer that take people from not being able to sleep well
to being great sleepers and then having that knowledge and those skills that
they can utilize for the rest of their lives and then parents I've coached a
(18:46):
lot of parents and children I do love doing that and just completely changing,
the way that bedtime happens and the quality of sleep for the children which
then changes just the quality of sleep for the parent.
So yeah, it's all intertwined. And thank you for having me today.
I've really enjoyed speaking with you.
(19:07):
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's been my sincere pleasure.
And we'll have to have you back again to talk about something else related to
sleep because it's been fantastic. So thank you.
And that will do it for another episode of the Magnetic Goddess Podcast.
Until next time, guys, may you be happy, may you be healthy,
May you be safe and may you be at peace. Namaste.
Welcome back to the Magnetic Goddess Podcast.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and today I have a fabulous guest for you.
She is a sleep therapist and educator.
Anna Devena is here with us, and I'm so glad to welcome her for you guys.
You're listening to the Magnetic Goddess, a podcast for women who are ready
(00:21):
to step into their power and live their best lives.
I'm your host, Amy Lee Westervelt, and I'm here to guide and inspire I inspire
you to take the journey back to your higher self.
We'll talk about everything from personal development to career growth to relationships.
We'll share tips, tools, and strategies that will help you become the most confident,
successful, and magnetic version of yourself.
(00:44):
We'll also talk to inspiring women who have already achieved their dreams and
are living their best lives.
We'll learn from their stories and discover what it takes to create a life that
is truly fulfilling. filling.
I believe that every woman has the potential to be a magnetic goddess.
She has the power to attract anything she wants in life, and she can create
(01:06):
her birthright of abundance.
I'm here to help you tap into that inner goddess and live your best life.
I'm so excited to have you on this journey with me.
Let's start living our best lives together as magnetic goddesses.
Welcome, Anna. Hannah. Hello. Thank you for having me. So lovely to be here.
(01:28):
Absolutely. And we love having you. So tell me, how does somebody become a sleep therapist?
Well, the way I became a sleep therapist is that I had insomnia as a child and
young adult, and that resulted in me getting very sick.
And I was offered medication that I was told I'd need to take forever.
(01:49):
And I said, no. and I did a lot of study and I cured myself of those illnesses
and also in that process became a great sleeper and realized that a lot of people
are suffering with this issue and there's very little help.
So I've dedicated the last 22 years to helping others get great sleep. I started with kids.
(02:14):
I just thought this should be taught in school.
We're meant to spend a third of our lives asleep, but we're never given a sleep education.
So I went into schools and I did that for many years and then I started to work
with adults and then companies and now I have a charity also that is focused on children.
(02:37):
But yeah, it's my life.
I love that. That's such a cool legacy to have that you taught people how to
sleep and educate them. And it's true.
I mean, it goes right along with a lot of the other things that they don't teach
in school, right? They don't teach you how to balance your checkbook.
They don't teach you how to time management.
(02:57):
They don't teach you those things. And so sleep is one of the things.
Speaking of which, a question I have for you, because you're here and you might Might as well ask.
Something that my husband and I struggle with a lot, and I think a lot of people
out there struggle with who have little kids, is what we call revenge procrastination.
(03:18):
So everybody's in bed and it's like, I have free time to myself and I just want to stay up.
I want to watch TV or I want to play, in my husband's case, he wants to play video games.
And sometimes he'll come to bed
at like 5 a.m. and he's going to be up to take the baby to school at 8.
And I'm like, what did you do all night and I
think that you know that tends to be
(03:40):
something that a lot of people struggle with not just us do you
do you have any tips or tricks for that and you
know any I guess like a mindset shift because you know when I think about it
I'm like oh my kids are finally in bed I can fight I mean I don't want to work
that's when I finally want to watch a show or binge something or whatever but
(04:00):
the next morning man you're just like why did I do that I'm too old for this.
Yeah, it's a really common issue that people choose activities other than sleep in their time.
So, you know, you just have this window of time that's yours.
(04:21):
And there are a lot of things that you want to do in that window of time.
It's very natural, especially as a parent.
I've worked with a lot of parents. My favorite people to work with are parents and business owners.
And when it's a combination it's like jackpot i really love it so you you have
(04:42):
these desires and you have things that you want to do in that time and when you think about sleep,
you probably don't think of it as the immensely valuable pleasurable healing
rejuvenating activity,
(05:04):
even because it's a non-activity, that it is.
And so it's really about our perspective on sleep and taking that moment to consciously ask,
is what I'm about to do worth me feeling like crap tomorrow?
(05:24):
That's one hack or tip to actually just pause and say, look,
I can do this thing and the price I'll have to pay is I'm going to be groggy,
probably foggy headed and a bit grumpy tomorrow.
You know, like, and sometimes you'll be like, no, I'm doing it. I'm watching it.
(05:44):
But when you actually take that time to acknowledge what you're giving up by
choosing an activity other than sleep,
then, you know, you've got more of a chance of choosing sleep or putting a time limit.
That is hard when we watch shows because even if we say, I'm just going to watch
(06:07):
one episode, episode there is this thing that happens in our brain that makes
it very hard for us to press the stop button.
Just for that the little hack that I suggest is on Netflix or any of those platforms
you can create a setting like you can change your settings so that it doesn't
(06:28):
automatically play the next episode so that at least you have to move your body.
Before the next episode starts playing.
So there's lots of little things you can do like that. But the main thing,
as you said, it's a mindset shift.
And it's also like a value shift where you fully acknowledge the immense value
(06:54):
of sleep and how much it gives you in your waking life.
You know, how much of a better, well, just general person you can be.
But, you know, how much of a better friend, parent, partner,
you know, business owner, everything.
There's not one aspect that fantastic quality sleep doesn't impact in our life.
(07:19):
It's so true. And it's interesting. I wrote a post about yesterday about resting
and how much guilt I would have just from resting.
Like my husband walked in and I was watching a show in the middle of the day
and I'd be like, I already did this. Then he's like, I don't care.
I don't care. You get to rest.
And it's interesting as women, there's such a stigma attached to the idea of resting.
(07:41):
Like, how dare I still sleep? You know, like, why am I not,
you know, if this is still going or that you know this thing
isn't done the generation you know before
us is like well then why did you go to who you know
going to sleep with the kitchen dirty going to sleep with
this done going to sleep without this done and it's like at what
point do we do you
(08:02):
know do we recognize that burning the candle at both ends is kind of creating
a lot more problems it's creating all kinds of things I mean I don't know how
much it's been studied and you would but But the correlation between a lack
of sleep and illness and disease and all those things,
not to mention, like you said, the foggy-headedness.
(08:22):
But my question, though, is for us who are raising children and conscious parents.
Obviously, this idea of sleep being something yucky kind of was put into us
from when we were little, right?
Having to go to bed early or it's time for bed.
The toys are going away and the play is going away. What are some tips and tricks
you have, just a couple for parents to help their children start to value sleep from an early age?
(08:49):
Because I know for us with education, being homeschoolers, being unschoolers,
we've always been, my husband and I have always been all about learning for
the sake of learning. You know, we don't create rewards.
It's not like you need to go do your math. It's like, how amazing is it that you know how to do this?
And so our children value education beyond anything.
(09:10):
So I would love some tips and tricks for like how to shift into valuing sleep
the way that you said that you do now. Yeah.
So I've just finished a book called The Good Sleep Guide for Parents.
It's part of my sleep kit for kids.
And that is full of practical knowledge and skills that parents can use to not
(09:35):
only improve their child's sleep and make bedtime an enjoyable time for everyone,
but also have that value shift in themselves.
Which you asked me, one of your early questions in this little piece was how
can we help our kids understand the value of sleep and value sleep?
(09:57):
So the first thing is to embody that yourself.
So when you live your life that way, it will just, it will naturally cascade
into your communication with your kids.
So if you're living in that way that we described in that very first little
piece, they're going to feel that.
(10:18):
You know, they're going to feel your relationship to sleep. They're going to
feel your own like, ah, God, I'd rather do anything else.
And so I always, and the first, the book's in three parts, is that it really
starts with you and what you're embodying.
So that's the first piece of that.
(10:38):
And, you know, inviting children to dreamland, you know, and telling them that
this is going to make you like a superhero.
It's going to help your brain become an incredible brain.
It's going to help you to integrate everything you've learned today so that
(11:00):
when you wake up tomorrow, you're embodying it and you remember it and it's
stored in the library in your brain.
And, you know, inviting them to even the beauty in the dark.
One of the chapters, so my sleep kit has two books and one of the books for
the children and they learn nine skills for being able to calm down in bed and
(11:23):
fall asleep one of them is befriending the dark,
and talking to them about what's beautiful in the dark sorry I said I'm 41 years
old and I'm still afraid of the dark so I'm anxious to hear this one yeah so
befriending the dark for a child can start with telling them,
(11:44):
you know, the dark can be scary because it can contain anything.
Absolutely anything.
And so our imagination is at play in the dark.
But there are things that actually exist in the dark, like magic.
If we look outside, we can see the stars in the sky and sometimes we can see
(12:09):
the moon and we can hear the symphony of insects that sing at night and,
you know, bringing them into the beautiful aspects that actually exist in the
night and then helping them use their imagination in a positive way.
So there's other pieces in the book like Your Heart, Friend and the Softness Game.
(12:33):
Game they tend to be favorites and they're
games and things that children can connect
with when they're in bed on their own so
it's kind of and then for
adults befriending the dark is has other dimensions you know the dark is a metaphor
for the great mystery that we live in we don't know you know we don't know and
(12:58):
so we come face to face with that when we turn all the the lights off and we turn the devices off,
we come face to face with our not knowing and with the great mystery that life is.
And we're not resting, like you said.
And so we're not engaging with that in our waking lives.
(13:20):
You know, we're not exhaling long enough to feel the mystery and to feel the beauty in that.
And so when we start to connect with it, then usually there's fear there because
we're just not used to that spaciousness and kind of feeling everything.
That's what I think the dark really invites us to do is feel everything.
(13:42):
And the dark is also a medicine. The dark is the most potent sleeping pill.
We have a part in our brain called the suprachrismatic nucleus,
and that is connected to brain cells in our eyes.
And those brain cells are called retinal
ganglion cells and they read the amount
(14:05):
of light in the environment that we're in
and that light sends a signal to
the suprachrismatic nucleus which then says okay this is how much light there
is and and depending on how much light there is will send another signal either
to our adrenal cortex to make cortisol and keep us awake or really wake us up,
(14:30):
or to our pineal gland,
which will start producing melatonin.
And so the da is really our gateway to so much health and vitality and really good quality sleep.
Which results in those things. So yeah, I could talk forever about sleep.
(14:54):
It's such an incredibly nuanced and deep topic.
Yeah. No, I love it. I think it's so powerful and it's interesting because we do that a little bit.
Like my 11 year old, you know, she's been watching movies in her eyes since
she was a little girl and she just loves to go to sleep and pick out what the
story she's going to tell herself.
(15:15):
And I think, you know, I kind of started doing that when I was as a little girl,
my sister and I would just kind of start to talk as we fell asleep about what
our lives were going to be like
when we grew up and what our houses were going to be like and bringing.
And now, you know, I use embodied visualization in my coaching and I'm like,
wow, that all came from getting into sleep and getting into that mode of relaxation
(15:37):
and mental rehearsal, right?
So it's just interesting as you're talking, I'm like, wow, that's very full circle.
So you'll have the link for the books and the programs and all that in the show notes, right?
Like we're going to put all that in there. That's okay to do that?
Yeah, actually that sleep kit, I've given it away through my charity up until now.
(15:58):
I've given over a thousand of them away.
And there's a scientific study being done to prove that it works because I give
that kit to charities that take care of children who've experienced some kind of trauma.
It's the initial reason I made it. but it helps all kinds.
It even helps adults to sleep, the original little book called the Sleep and
(16:22):
Dream book, but it's going to be released to the general public this year.
So what I can do is just, I'll give my link and people can connect with me.
And then yeah, as soon as it's ready, I might actually create a wait list for it.
Yeah. I think you should, because I think a lot of moms are going to listen
to this and be like, oh my gosh, I need to get my hands on that.
(16:44):
Because Because really, it is such a point of stress and such a place of friction
for parents with their children that it doesn't have to be.
And I just imagine, what would it be like for all the kids to just shuffle off
to bed and say, Mom, I don't want to.
And I mean, to be fair, I have five of them. Some of them are better about it.
(17:09):
Like my 11-year-old, she goes right to bed. She has her iPad and stuff like
that that she can have for the last hour before she actually goes to sleep.
And some of them really do enjoy going off to sleep.
Some of them still wake up in the middle of the night. My six-year-old is in
my bed almost every morning. So that's a whole thing.
But you're absolutely right. It is such a powerful thing to be able to...
(17:34):
See sleep as an asset, see it as something that, you know, the more I sleep,
the more money I make, or the more I sleep, the more, you know,
the more embodied I am as a parent, you know, the more I am making myself available for my partner.
I mean, I can just think of so many affirmations that you can just throw sleep into.
So this is, yeah, this has been absolutely amazing. And thank you so much for joining us.
(17:59):
Seriously, if people want to get ahold of you before they they get the sleep
kit and you know just to get into your world what do they do where do they go
so they can go to my website which is sleepwellandthrive.com so that's sleepwellandthrive.com.
And they can find me on facebook instagram
(18:23):
through that same title sleep
well and thrive and yeah I have a
group coaching program have a corporate program have
lots of things that I offer that take people from not being able to sleep well
to being great sleepers and then having that knowledge and those skills that
they can utilize for the rest of their lives and then parents I've coached a
(18:46):
lot of parents and children I do love doing that and just completely changing,
the way that bedtime happens and the quality of sleep for the children which
then changes just the quality of sleep for the parent.
So yeah, it's all intertwined. And thank you for having me today.
I've really enjoyed speaking with you.
(19:07):
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's been my sincere pleasure.
And we'll have to have you back again to talk about something else related to
sleep because it's been fantastic. So thank you.
And that will do it for another episode of the Magnetic Goddess Podcast.
Until next time, guys, may you be happy, may you be healthy,
May you be safe and may you be at peace. Namaste.
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