April 24, 2024 • 29 mins
This episode explores the rise of Kamala Harris, from her early years to her current position as Vice President of the United States. The conversation covers topics such as her relationship with Jill Biden, her political career, her failed presidential campaign, and her struggles as Vice President. Author Charlie Spiering provides insights into Harris's background, her connections with influential figures like Willie Brown and Barack Obama, and the challenges she faces in connecting with the average American. The Tudor Dixon Podcast is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network. For more visit TudorDixonPodcast.com
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. We have a
very interesting subject and I don't want you to tune
out when you hear what it is, because sometimes I
feel like tuning out when I hear Kamala Harris speak.
But this is going to be our whole history of
how did Kamala Harris get to where she is? And
I really feel like, because she is a vice president,
we should know how did this happen? And so we've
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decided to bring in an expert. His name is Charlie Spearing.
He is a senior political reporter for The Daily Mail
and the author of the new book Amateur Hour, which
is like such a great title, Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris
in the White House. Charlie, thanks for joining me, Thanks
for having me absolutely so. I'm going through all of
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this and I do think that we are wondering how
this happened, but you know from the very beginning, and
I want to get to that. I just want to
kind of dig into something first off, because I think
a lot of people have gone how did she get here?
But the Jill Biden because in your book you talk
about Jill Biden not liking her, and I find this
(01:04):
interesting because Jill Biden would be in Delaware right now
wiping Joe's but if it weren't for Kamala Harris, so
I think she should send her a like a fruit
basket every week.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, certainly, Jill Biden is not a huge Kamala fan
as we know, as we found out, especially after that
moment when she attacked Joe during the primary campaign, accusing
him of saying, I'm not saying you're racist, but actually
I'm accusing you of being a racist, so kind of
highlighting his history on issues of federal bussing. It was
clearly a very political attack, very rehearsed attack, and Jill
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Biden was not happy about that, and she and the
family were not happy when Joe's advisors were suggesting that
they picked Kamala Harris, that she was their best choice. So,
in spite of everything, however, Jill Biden has been cordial
with the Vice president at this point, but there's certainly
no warm and feelings between the two of them at
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this point.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But for Joe, she was absolutely the best choice because
I from what I understand, Jill wanted Susan Rice. If
that were the case, Joe would have had a medical
event already, they would have said, Okay, you're gone. This
person is going to step in, having someone completely incompetent,
unable to talk. I mean, I love the way that
you said that that question was well rehearsed. On the bussing,
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of course, it was well rehearsed. You would think everything
else is well rehearsed. But she can't ever get an
entire sentence out, and then if she does, it just
gets repeated on and on, like maybe a tweak here,
a tweak there, but the whole speech is the same word.
So we know that it was well rehearsed. But isn't
it true that if there were no Kamala Harris, Joe
Biden couldn't possibly be in this position.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, that's a big that's a big reason why he's
running again for president. If Kamala Harris had emerged as
a major national figure, someone that inspired and rallied Democrats
to her cause, they Joe Biden would have happily given
up the you know, giving up the idea of running
for re election because but at this point she is
absolutely not ready. And Republicans sort of joke that Kamala
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Harris is his twenty fifth Amendment insurance, because no one's
going to totally no one's going to cite the twenty
fifth Amendment to get Kamala Harris into office and kick
Joe out. So I think that when he first ran
for president, Joe Biden really thought he could be a
one term president that would transfer all of the goodwill
that the Democratic Party had earned under his first administration
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to a new star. But Kamala Harris turned out not
to be that new star and has ended up really
being kind of a way a millstone on his campaign.
Her popularity numbers are even lower than his, so he
certainly has to run again, even though maybe that wasn't
his idea in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, I think that Jill should be happy though, because
she wants She's definitely looking forward to former years in
the White House, and this is the only way she
even had a shot at it. Instead of puckering up
and kissing Doug em Hoff, maybe she should go over
and puck her up and kiss Kamala and thank her.
But I want to get to the beginning, like, how
does the worst vice president in the history of the
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country begin? How do we get from there to here?
And She's like now the second in command and she's
just horrible. So tell us about the beginning. Yeah, the beginning,
if you.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Want to go all the way back to her childhood,
and she was raised in California, and even portions of
her life her childhood's spent in Wisconsin and then ultimately
in Montreal where she spent her high school years before
returning back to California. So she kind of had this
life where she lived in She and her relatives describe
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it as kind of a feminist household where strong, powerful
women are the only ones that are around. You know,
her father and mother divorced when she was very young,
and so she really relied on her mother's sort of impetus,
her strength, and her confidence in so many ways. And
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ultimately she decided to go to college in Howard University
in Washington, d C. And then chose the path of
a prosecutor to get into law enforcement and being a
SETI prosecutor in California.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So it was it always a political path for her?
Did she know that? I mean, I know she was
like the socialite for a while. So how did she
turn into.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The political Well, the key to that is her relationship
with Willie Brown. And Willie Brown is a famous, one
of the most famous politicians in California history. He is
definitely one of the most powerful political forces that the
state has ever seen. He was the Speaker of the
state Legislature for so long until he was termlined out
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of a job, but he still wanted to play around
in politics, so he ran for mayor of San Francisco.
That's when he meets Kamala Harris. Willie Brown needs to
prove he can sort of hold a stable adult relationships.
He's currently you know, married to his wife Blanche, even
though they're long estranged, but he never divorced her, and
so and it's just remained kind of a playboy politician
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for so long. But Ada's as he's running for mayor
of San Francisco, he decides to start a relationship with
Kamala Harris. And Willie Brown's is sixty years old at
this point, and Kamala Harris is a twenty nine year
old prosecutor from Almita County, relatively unknown, and so they
start dating. And really, the gossip columns really approved of
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the relationship because you know, if Kamala really was able
to demonstrate that she was you know, a level above
the usual women that he hung out with.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Wow, that was that was a compliment. I mean, I
think we've all heard the stories of Kamala Harris climb
the ladder on her knees and all of that kind
of story. But did this relationship, which is pretty I mean,
the average person says, this is pretty disgusting. She was
what you said, twenty eight, twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Twenty nine years old, Willy Brown's sixty And it's really
a relationship of convenience. Willi Brown introduces her to all
the wealthy, you know, movers and shakers of San Francisco,
opens all these doors to all the different socialites, all
the different people who actually have the power and influence
in California. When you're running in California, you don't have
to necessarily prove yourself to the voters, right you have
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to prove yourself to the Democrat elites and the major
donors of the party. And Willie Brown kind of taught
her how to just open, you know, throw the door open,
show up and demand a seat at the table. That's
sort of what he did throughout his entire career. But
he also gave her a few other perks as well.
She was appointed to multiple state boards in California, you
know where you show up and do a couple meetings
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a month and get paid pretty pretty well to do that.
She earned about four hundred thousand over a period just
a couple of years while she was right after she
started dating Willy Brown. And she you know, four hundred
thousand dollars. You put that in today's numbers, that's close
to a million dollars in you know, adjusting for inflation.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What did she have to give Willy Brown for all.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Of this, Well, she certainly had, you know, was his
arm was on his arms as his girlfriend, and there
was you know, the rumors and the gossip columns were
that they might even get married after Willie Brown was elected.
People were there was a specific report talking about potential
wedding bells for the two of them. But Willy Brown
sort of broke off that relationship right before the inauguration.
(08:34):
It's funny. At the election party, Kamala Harris was featured
and she gave him a kiss and put a hat
on his on his head, you know, declaring him dumb air.
And then when it came time for the inauguration, Kamala
was nowhere to be seen, and his estranged wife Blanche
returned to sort of hold the Bible, and Willie Brown
swore in with that sort of framework taking place, So
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it was very clear that Willy Brown was done with
Kamala had and it was time to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So not only was this a grooming of sorts relationship wise,
he was grooming her politically. I mean they were obviously
both getting something out of this. Here he is walking
around with this young woman and boosting his identity by
being in all of the tabloids and going to all
of these parties, and she is probably enjoying the spotlight
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of being on his arm and going in there and
meeting all of these politicians. So at what point does
she then go to that next level? Will they break up?
But somehow, at some point she becomes close with Obama
and she becomes kind of a nemesis of Newsome. How
does that all happen?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, So Kamala ended up getting hired by the San
Francisco District Attorney's office, and she famously clashed with the
progressive district attorney there. She ends up leaving and then
running her own campaign against him as kind of a
little bit of a revenge campaign taking over for this
this ur arguably very progressive prosecutor Terrence Holland on he
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was kind of the anti Rudy Giuliani, had very you know,
liberal positions about who to charge with a crime and
what to do with non violent criminals. But Kamala Harris
kind of ran to the center on that. She kind of,
you know, her famous line was, let's not run tough
on crime or a week on crime, but smart on crime.
That kind of puts her in the warm center where
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she's appealing to why why thresh you know, wide swaths
of the Democratic voter. She ends up running and you know,
Willie Brown isn't on her arm, but he's behind the
scenes sort of encouraging donors to support her, to get
them on board. And you know, she's during this campaign
she really focuses hard on you know, campaigns, is like
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a tough law enforcement cop on the against Hollandan and
ends up winning it, running and winning an election for
District Attorney of San Francisco, and then you know, and
then from there she just continues on the path, you know,
to future office. She ended up as the California attorney
general pretty much runs unopposed for that, and you know,
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takes care of a few self funding candidates. But once
you're in the Democratic elite, they're kind of willing to
just annoint you and push you forward.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. At what point does Obama come
into this picture, because I mean, how do they meet
he's running for office or what happens there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, when Obama's running for office, Kamala Harris famously endorses
him instead of Hillary Clinton, and you know how much
of a statement that makes. But in California, she benefited
from that relationship because she sort of backs the new
up and comer who ultimately won. She does a little
campaigning for him. They're sort of their friends. He does
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some campaigning for her. Comes by in California, it helps
her out in her district in her attorney general race,
and the two of them have a pretty warm relationship.
I don't know if you remember the headlines back when
he had a fundraiser he described her as one of
the best looking attorney generals in the country, and that
earned a lot of scorn and condemnation from a lot
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of her, you know her more, you know progressive supporters,
how dare you treat her this way?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And here they say only Trump says things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I ended up having to calling her up to apologize,
but it certainly didn't hurt kmmalas brand at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, I mean that was her brand was being a
hot thing. So why should she be upset? And once
you have the president or the man running for president
coming out and saying that, that's got to be a boost.
So I think that the miscalculation here is attorney general
is a different race than even a gubernatorial race, and
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certainly a presidential race. So I think that there's a
time when she sees herself on equal footing with Gavin Newsom,
and that's not really the case when you are attorney
general versus the governor of a state like California especially.
He is very slick, he has lots of support. He
is an excellent public speaker. I mean he has been
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He has been compared to, honestly, like the evil itself
because he is so convincing with his lies. She is
very different than that. So how has that relationship gone
over the years.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, that's interesting because they're both proteges of Willie Brown,
and they came up through San Francisco politics, so people
have always kind of viewed the two of them as
barreling down the same road in opposite directions on a
one way street, inevitable clashing, And for a while there
it looked like it would happen. When Gavin Newsom was
thinking about running for governor California, Kamala Harris is already
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in her second term as Attorney General. She's kind of
eyeing the same thing. So the two of them are
sort of staring each other down on this issue. But
lo and behold, Senator Barbara Boxer in California steps down
from her seat unexpectedly, sort of opening up a new
avenue for either one of them, and then Newsom famously said,
you know, I'm not interested in the Senate seat. That
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gave kamalain an opening, and then she ultimately ran for
that Senate seat, which was a pretty easy campaign to
win at that point. And you know, when you're running
in a one party state and you already have the
approval of all the party leaders and the elite, then
you can just pretty much run away with it. And
that's kind of what she did. Well.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I think that's the confusion for people on either side
of the aisle. When you are in a strong one
party state, then there is kind of this misconception that
you're so well loved you can go out and do
anything and everybody will feel the same way about you.
And so I wonder if kind of that confidence of
running for Senate in a like you said, in a
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race that wasn't going to be hard for her to
win with the anointing of the Democrat elite, and that
to me is a very big deal for people. They
don't understand that once the Democrat elite comes in and says, Okay,
this is our choice, then that person has all the
power behind them and all the money behind them, and
it is an extremely challenging position for even Republicans to
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go up against that once there is an anointing. And
so I can see how she would feel like I
can go to the next step. How does that happen though?
How does she decide I'm going for president now?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, she really entered the Senate sort of, you know,
she won her Senate race just as Donald Trump beat
Hillary Clinton. So she really saw herself as the next
great superhero of the Democratic Party and sort of came
into Washington and making an appearance at the Women's March,
making this case that she was going to lead the
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party to rally against President Donald Trump and fight for
everything that they stood for, you know, trying to encourage Democrats.
So she ended up in the Senate. She ended up
sort of building this brand as like the tough prosecutor
of President Donald Trump. You know, she had this law
enforcement record and she was going to hold him accountable.
But you know, in spite of mixed results, she did
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sort of earn a couple of these viral videos that
went live of her grilling Trump officials and making them uncomfortable,
even though many of the Trump officials couldn't even understand
what she was trying to get to, couldn't even understand
her questions. There's so many examples of that that I
put in the book. But ultimately she does kind of
emerge on stage as this as this major Democratic force,
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but and even earning respect from some of the prominent
luminaries in the party, some of the donors in the
party who are kind of on board with this idea
of a Kamala Harris running for president. You look back
at some of those reports, you had some of the
biggest names really sort of pointing to her possible success
at this and so she definitely launched her campaign on
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a strong footge but it all went kind of down
from there.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh my gosh, it was such a failure. Her as
a presidential candidate was a nightmare. And honestly, I think
as a presidential candidate she was still better than she
is as a vice president. I don't remember these ridiculous
word salads. I don't remember her struggling to the extent
that she struggles on a daily basis now to the
point where they it seems like they've almost hidden her
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because she is so hard to understand and she sounds
like such a child when she gets up and talks,
is like she's speaking in riddles, like she's doctor Seuss
and nobody understands. How did this woman become vice president?
But getting back to her presidential campaign, I mean, she failed,
and she failed hard, and then they chose her.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, that's right. She really came out strong. And one
of her first big mistakes was the Jesse Smollett SMOLII
that that whole fiasco with that fakes, fake hoax you know,
small Smole was a friend of hers and she knew him,
had attended marches together in California, and she really came
out strong, leading the charge of all Democrats to back him,
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and ultimately that when that turned out to be a hoax,
she never really apologized and never really addressed that situation,
never even condemned him for sort of misleading the people
on that issue. So that was just the beginning. And
then as she went on the campaign trail, she found
herself tangled up on all kinds of issues. When they
asked her about Medicare for All, she kind of fell
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on her face and said one thing during a debate,
went on Morning Joe the next day to correct herself,
and then ultimately still not understanding what her position was
on that issue, just trying to be as politically popular
as possible without taking any strong positions.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, that's something that's something that we've kind of
seen as a trend with Democrat, especially sadly Democrat women.
I mean, if you look at Gretchen Whitmer, she has
done the same thing. She's tried to be very popular,
she's tried to have a brand, but she hasn't been
able to actually focus on exactly where she stands on
issues when it comes down to critical issues for the country,
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and I think that is overall hurting women in politics.
I've heard people say, gosh, who should Trump choose for
his vice president because are people ready right now after
this disaster to say, oh, yeah, let's try a Republican
woman and see if that's better. And I do think
that this is devastating for women across the country because
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I remember when she was elected and little girls were
cheering at the television and saying, this is amazing a
woman is vice president. And yet this has been such
a terrible failure. Even the early years of her vice
presidency were so embarrassing. And it's almost as though the
Biden administration set her up for failure. I mean, putting
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her in as the borders are right away, that was
a joke. They never were going to actually have her
do anything there. Why did that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, Joe Biden really kind of wanted this buddy all
purpose vice president, and he really thought that Kamala Harris
would be the first to be jumping in and jumping
on some of these hot issues that he needed taken
care of. After all, that's what he tried to do
for Obamas, so he really felt that she would just
be just like he was. But it turns out Kamala
Harris has her own political brand she's trying to protect,
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and Biden advisors quickly realized, oh my gosh, she's more
interested in protecting her own political brand than taking some
of these hot issues for the president. The border czar
issue was a perfect example of that. They asked her
to do this thing on root causes and she repeatedly said,
I am not the borders are. I will only focus
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on root causes in Guatemala some of these other countries
in the North Triangle. So she ended up really sort
of sidestepping that thorny issue protecting her political brand. There.
There's other instances where they wanted her to do events
like a show up at airport and do an event
on infant baby formula when the you know, the administration
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was under attack for that. She initially said no, forcing
Jill Biden to do it, and then ultimately she did
do an event, but only when you know, it felt
right for her. So she's still pretty fiercely protective of
her brand. And yeah, the Biden administration especially during those
first few years just kind of threw up their hands
and kind of let her do whatever she wants wanted,
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because they certainly weren't helping out Joe. That's why she
really struggled there for first, for her first three years.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. You say she's protective of her brand,
but what is her brand?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, we recently saw that just just this week. She
has a long history of trying to reboot her image
and her political campaign, and we just saw this again
this week. Was you know, trying to return to that.
I'm a I'm a prosecutor. I'm here to prosecute President Trump.
You know, I'm going to be the one to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Hold lot of top people doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, exactly, I'm going to be the one to holding
you know, to account on issues of abortion, on issues
of gun control. So she's really kind of trying to reboot, rebrand,
even as her approval ratings are still let the somewhere
in the mid thirties. And that's really a really bad
place to be and I don't know if she can
ever recover from that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So give us the inside scoop on how the word
salads happen? Because if you're vice president of the United States,
you have people writing your speeches very clearly, and you were,
I would hope, working with them, and then you've read
them before you go out there. But it's almost as
though she has new speech because she just says the
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same thing over and over again. How is that happening?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah? During her biggest word solid moments is when she
steps away from from the teleprompter, when she drops her no,
when she grabs the mic and tries to riff, and
what she ends up doing is just adding more and
more dependent clauses on one theme or trying to explain,
you know, issues to people as if that they were children.
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It's really kind of insulting to your audience when you
try to when you try to engage on that level,
and especially when you're just piling more and more dependent
clauses on top of an idea. It's really it's she
really had a lot of problems with that, especially during
some of these like roundtables. But right now she's in
campaign mode. She's a lot more scripted than she ever was.
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She has a couple of speeches pre sort of pre
planned speeches that she's been practicing, and that's kind of
what she has been relying on, leaning heavily on as
she goes into the campaign season.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Quite honestly going through what we just did. I mean,
you look at this history. This is a woman who
came out she's an attorney. She has kind of this
socialite party lifestyle, and she parties her way into some
really big contract where she's just sitting on a board
and making massive amounts of money at a very young age.
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And then at some point she marries a man who
has two children. She does not have children of her own,
and has always been in with the elite, is at
the highest level of the elite. Once she becomes vice president,
how does she connect to the average American family when
she's never been involved in anything remotely close to that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, She got married to Doug em hofft right before
she launched her senate race, and so that sort of
relationship has been you know, it's been very useful for
her because Doug Emoff has his own connections to wealthy
Hollywood donors, you know, as an entertainment as an entertainment lawyer,
and so the two of them have sort of emerged
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as this kind of power couple and with Kamala Harris
being the lead on that. But at this point, like
Doug Emhoff is more comfortable being in the public spotlight.
He seems to enjoy life in Washington, whereas Kamala Harris
doesn't really like doesn't really like the schmoozing, doesn't really
like being that that, doesn't really like that aspect of
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the job. She'd rather sort of focus on what she's
comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It sounds like she hasn't had the opportunity to focus
on that. Whatever that is. If that's prosecuting Donald Trump,
it's it's not her purview right now. That's not in
her lane. So I'm not sure what is in her lane.
But I just want to quickly bring Gavin Newsom into
this because there have been a lot of people who
have said Gavin Newsom will step in for Biden at
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the convention, They'll take him out, They'll put like Gavin in.
What the question is is like, well, what happens to Kamala.
I've heard some crazy stories like, oh, they'll switch, she'll
become governor. They hate each other, they can't be on
the same ticket. How could you ever take you? I mean,
the thing I think everybody knows is you can't ta
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Kamala off the ticket. That's that's a non starter. So
Gavin Newsom, how could they even be together?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, that's right. Right now, they're just praying that they
can get Biden pass the finish line and they're doing
everything they can to sort of protect him and get
him there. And once they cross the finish line, and
this is a big reason of why I wrote the book,
is if Joe Biden can run and win in November,
then there's a very good chance that Kamala Harris could
be the forty seventh President of the United States. If
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Joe Biden steps down and can't finish his full term,
that and then you don't even need Gavin Newsom at all. However,
if Joe Biden can't make it to election day, the
entire party is going to explode because there's so many
different donors with different ideas of who should be the
next heir apparent to the party. There's everyone knows and
everyone doesn't like Kamala Harris. It's amazing in DC when
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you're found wanting, DC can be pretty cruel, and they
definitely are behind the scenes. You don't see anything in
public because Democrats don't want to be accused of being
a racist and a sexist. But behind the scenes, they
are fully disparaging of Kamala Harris, knowing that there's no
way she could run and win against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's so funny, Like everything that they live for and
believe they it's just all blowney Listen, I'm pretty sure
that if it comes down to it, Joe Biden's staff
will pull that Brazilian woman at the bank with the
man in the wheelchair and wheel his dead body up
to the ballot box and vote for himself even though
he's gone. Like they are so determined to get him
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back into office.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Absolutely, and it's not just the Biden team, it's the
Obama team, it's every Democrat in the country. There were
some serious conversations earlier this year of how can we
how can he possibly run and win? He's so old
and he looks so bad. Even Obama staffers were just
cringing at the very idea. But they've really worked hard
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to sort of put this together to get him out
on the campaign trail. Hold some of these moments, you know,
taking the short stairs onto Air Force One. He hasn't
fallen yet, and really they're feeling pretty confident at this point,
especially after the State of the Union, but there's still
one hundred and some days to go. So every day,
I'm sure everyone's holding their breath every time they see
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him walk on to a stage or climb the stairs
to the presidential plane. At this point, Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know they are. You can hear a pin drop.
Everybody's like, Okay, good grief. Well, I am so grateful
to you for doing all of this research. Thank you
so much for coming on. Charlie Spearing, tell us where
people can get the book.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, you can find the book anywhere books are sold,
especially on Amazon, and follow me on Twitter at Charlie
Spearing and Instagram and happy to interact with anybody who
has questions about the book or once a book signed.
So I really appreciate you having me on to talk
about it with you and your audience. Yeah.
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Have a blessed day,
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. We have a
very interesting subject and I don't want you to tune
out when you hear what it is, because sometimes I
feel like tuning out when I hear Kamala Harris speak.
But this is going to be our whole history of
how did Kamala Harris get to where she is? And
I really feel like, because she is a vice president,
we should know how did this happen? And so we've
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decided to bring in an expert. His name is Charlie Spearing.
He is a senior political reporter for The Daily Mail
and the author of the new book Amateur Hour, which
is like such a great title, Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris
in the White House. Charlie, thanks for joining me, Thanks
for having me absolutely so. I'm going through all of
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this and I do think that we are wondering how
this happened, but you know from the very beginning, and
I want to get to that. I just want to
kind of dig into something first off, because I think
a lot of people have gone how did she get here?
But the Jill Biden because in your book you talk
about Jill Biden not liking her, and I find this
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interesting because Jill Biden would be in Delaware right now
wiping Joe's but if it weren't for Kamala Harris, so
I think she should send her a like a fruit
basket every week.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, certainly, Jill Biden is not a huge Kamala fan
as we know, as we found out, especially after that
moment when she attacked Joe during the primary campaign, accusing
him of saying, I'm not saying you're racist, but actually
I'm accusing you of being a racist, so kind of
highlighting his history on issues of federal bussing. It was
clearly a very political attack, very rehearsed attack, and Jill
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Biden was not happy about that, and she and the
family were not happy when Joe's advisors were suggesting that
they picked Kamala Harris, that she was their best choice. So,
in spite of everything, however, Jill Biden has been cordial
with the Vice president at this point, but there's certainly
no warm and feelings between the two of them at
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this point.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But for Joe, she was absolutely the best choice because
I from what I understand, Jill wanted Susan Rice. If
that were the case, Joe would have had a medical
event already, they would have said, Okay, you're gone. This
person is going to step in, having someone completely incompetent,
unable to talk. I mean, I love the way that
you said that that question was well rehearsed. On the bussing,
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of course, it was well rehearsed. You would think everything
else is well rehearsed. But she can't ever get an
entire sentence out, and then if she does, it just
gets repeated on and on, like maybe a tweak here,
a tweak there, but the whole speech is the same word.
So we know that it was well rehearsed. But isn't
it true that if there were no Kamala Harris, Joe
Biden couldn't possibly be in this position.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, that's a big that's a big reason why he's
running again for president. If Kamala Harris had emerged as
a major national figure, someone that inspired and rallied Democrats
to her cause, they Joe Biden would have happily given
up the you know, giving up the idea of running
for re election because but at this point she is
absolutely not ready. And Republicans sort of joke that Kamala
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Harris is his twenty fifth Amendment insurance, because no one's
going to totally no one's going to cite the twenty
fifth Amendment to get Kamala Harris into office and kick
Joe out. So I think that when he first ran
for president, Joe Biden really thought he could be a
one term president that would transfer all of the goodwill
that the Democratic Party had earned under his first administration
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to a new star. But Kamala Harris turned out not
to be that new star and has ended up really
being kind of a way a millstone on his campaign.
Her popularity numbers are even lower than his, so he
certainly has to run again, even though maybe that wasn't
his idea in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Well, I think that Jill should be happy though, because
she wants She's definitely looking forward to former years in
the White House, and this is the only way she
even had a shot at it. Instead of puckering up
and kissing Doug em Hoff, maybe she should go over
and puck her up and kiss Kamala and thank her.
But I want to get to the beginning, like, how
does the worst vice president in the history of the
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country begin? How do we get from there to here?
And She's like now the second in command and she's
just horrible. So tell us about the beginning. Yeah, the beginning,
if you.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Want to go all the way back to her childhood,
and she was raised in California, and even portions of
her life her childhood's spent in Wisconsin and then ultimately
in Montreal where she spent her high school years before
returning back to California. So she kind of had this
life where she lived in She and her relatives describe
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it as kind of a feminist household where strong, powerful
women are the only ones that are around. You know,
her father and mother divorced when she was very young,
and so she really relied on her mother's sort of impetus,
her strength, and her confidence in so many ways. And
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ultimately she decided to go to college in Howard University
in Washington, d C. And then chose the path of
a prosecutor to get into law enforcement and being a
SETI prosecutor in California.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So it was it always a political path for her?
Did she know that? I mean, I know she was
like the socialite for a while. So how did she
turn into.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The political Well, the key to that is her relationship
with Willie Brown. And Willie Brown is a famous, one
of the most famous politicians in California history. He is
definitely one of the most powerful political forces that the
state has ever seen. He was the Speaker of the
state Legislature for so long until he was termlined out
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of a job, but he still wanted to play around
in politics, so he ran for mayor of San Francisco.
That's when he meets Kamala Harris. Willie Brown needs to
prove he can sort of hold a stable adult relationships.
He's currently you know, married to his wife Blanche, even
though they're long estranged, but he never divorced her, and
so and it's just remained kind of a playboy politician
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for so long. But Ada's as he's running for mayor
of San Francisco, he decides to start a relationship with
Kamala Harris. And Willie Brown's is sixty years old at
this point, and Kamala Harris is a twenty nine year
old prosecutor from Almita County, relatively unknown, and so they
start dating. And really, the gossip columns really approved of
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the relationship because you know, if Kamala really was able
to demonstrate that she was you know, a level above
the usual women that he hung out with.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Wow, that was that was a compliment. I mean, I
think we've all heard the stories of Kamala Harris climb
the ladder on her knees and all of that kind
of story. But did this relationship, which is pretty I mean,
the average person says, this is pretty disgusting. She was
what you said, twenty eight, twenty ninth.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Twenty nine years old, Willy Brown's sixty And it's really
a relationship of convenience. Willi Brown introduces her to all
the wealthy, you know, movers and shakers of San Francisco,
opens all these doors to all the different socialites, all
the different people who actually have the power and influence
in California. When you're running in California, you don't have
to necessarily prove yourself to the voters, right you have
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to prove yourself to the Democrat elites and the major
donors of the party. And Willie Brown kind of taught
her how to just open, you know, throw the door open,
show up and demand a seat at the table. That's
sort of what he did throughout his entire career. But
he also gave her a few other perks as well.
She was appointed to multiple state boards in California, you
know where you show up and do a couple meetings
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a month and get paid pretty pretty well to do that.
She earned about four hundred thousand over a period just
a couple of years while she was right after she
started dating Willy Brown. And she you know, four hundred
thousand dollars. You put that in today's numbers, that's close
to a million dollars in you know, adjusting for inflation.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
What did she have to give Willy Brown for all.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Of this, Well, she certainly had, you know, was his
arm was on his arms as his girlfriend, and there
was you know, the rumors and the gossip columns were
that they might even get married after Willie Brown was elected.
People were there was a specific report talking about potential
wedding bells for the two of them. But Willy Brown
sort of broke off that relationship right before the inauguration.
(08:34):
It's funny. At the election party, Kamala Harris was featured
and she gave him a kiss and put a hat
on his on his head, you know, declaring him dumb air.
And then when it came time for the inauguration, Kamala
was nowhere to be seen, and his estranged wife Blanche
returned to sort of hold the Bible, and Willie Brown
swore in with that sort of framework taking place, So
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it was very clear that Willy Brown was done with
Kamala had and it was time to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
So not only was this a grooming of sorts relationship wise,
he was grooming her politically. I mean they were obviously
both getting something out of this. Here he is walking
around with this young woman and boosting his identity by
being in all of the tabloids and going to all
of these parties, and she is probably enjoying the spotlight
(09:23):
of being on his arm and going in there and
meeting all of these politicians. So at what point does
she then go to that next level? Will they break up?
But somehow, at some point she becomes close with Obama
and she becomes kind of a nemesis of Newsome. How
does that all happen?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, So Kamala ended up getting hired by the San
Francisco District Attorney's office, and she famously clashed with the
progressive district attorney there. She ends up leaving and then
running her own campaign against him as kind of a
little bit of a revenge campaign taking over for this
this ur arguably very progressive prosecutor Terrence Holland on he
(10:04):
was kind of the anti Rudy Giuliani, had very you know,
liberal positions about who to charge with a crime and
what to do with non violent criminals. But Kamala Harris
kind of ran to the center on that. She kind of,
you know, her famous line was, let's not run tough
on crime or a week on crime, but smart on crime.
That kind of puts her in the warm center where
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she's appealing to why why thresh you know, wide swaths
of the Democratic voter. She ends up running and you know,
Willie Brown isn't on her arm, but he's behind the
scenes sort of encouraging donors to support her, to get
them on board. And you know, she's during this campaign
she really focuses hard on you know, campaigns, is like
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a tough law enforcement cop on the against Hollandan and
ends up winning it, running and winning an election for
District Attorney of San Francisco, and then you know, and
then from there she just continues on the path, you know,
to future office. She ended up as the California attorney
general pretty much runs unopposed for that, and you know,
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takes care of a few self funding candidates. But once
you're in the Democratic elite, they're kind of willing to
just annoint you and push you forward.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
the Tutor Dixon podcast. At what point does Obama come
into this picture, because I mean, how do they meet
he's running for office or what happens there.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, when Obama's running for office, Kamala Harris famously endorses
him instead of Hillary Clinton, and you know how much
of a statement that makes. But in California, she benefited
from that relationship because she sort of backs the new
up and comer who ultimately won. She does a little
campaigning for him. They're sort of their friends. He does
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some campaigning for her. Comes by in California, it helps
her out in her district in her attorney general race,
and the two of them have a pretty warm relationship.
I don't know if you remember the headlines back when
he had a fundraiser he described her as one of
the best looking attorney generals in the country, and that
earned a lot of scorn and condemnation from a lot
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of her, you know her more, you know progressive supporters,
how dare you treat her this way?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And here they say only Trump says things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, I ended up having to calling her up to apologize,
but it certainly didn't hurt kmmalas brand at this point.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No, I mean that was her brand was being a
hot thing. So why should she be upset? And once
you have the president or the man running for president
coming out and saying that, that's got to be a boost.
So I think that the miscalculation here is attorney general
is a different race than even a gubernatorial race, and
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certainly a presidential race. So I think that there's a
time when she sees herself on equal footing with Gavin Newsom,
and that's not really the case when you are attorney
general versus the governor of a state like California especially.
He is very slick, he has lots of support. He
is an excellent public speaker. I mean he has been
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He has been compared to, honestly, like the evil itself
because he is so convincing with his lies. She is
very different than that. So how has that relationship gone
over the years.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, that's interesting because they're both proteges of Willie Brown,
and they came up through San Francisco politics, so people
have always kind of viewed the two of them as
barreling down the same road in opposite directions on a
one way street, inevitable clashing, And for a while there
it looked like it would happen. When Gavin Newsom was
thinking about running for governor California, Kamala Harris is already
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in her second term as Attorney General. She's kind of
eyeing the same thing. So the two of them are
sort of staring each other down on this issue. But
lo and behold, Senator Barbara Boxer in California steps down
from her seat unexpectedly, sort of opening up a new
avenue for either one of them, and then Newsom famously said,
you know, I'm not interested in the Senate seat. That
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gave kamalain an opening, and then she ultimately ran for
that Senate seat, which was a pretty easy campaign to
win at that point. And you know, when you're running
in a one party state and you already have the
approval of all the party leaders and the elite, then
you can just pretty much run away with it. And
that's kind of what she did. Well.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I think that's the confusion for people on either side
of the aisle. When you are in a strong one
party state, then there is kind of this misconception that
you're so well loved you can go out and do
anything and everybody will feel the same way about you.
And so I wonder if kind of that confidence of
running for Senate in a like you said, in a
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race that wasn't going to be hard for her to
win with the anointing of the Democrat elite, and that
to me is a very big deal for people. They
don't understand that once the Democrat elite comes in and says, Okay,
this is our choice, then that person has all the
power behind them and all the money behind them, and
it is an extremely challenging position for even Republicans to
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go up against that once there is an anointing. And
so I can see how she would feel like I
can go to the next step. How does that happen though?
How does she decide I'm going for president now?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, she really entered the Senate sort of, you know,
she won her Senate race just as Donald Trump beat
Hillary Clinton. So she really saw herself as the next
great superhero of the Democratic Party and sort of came
into Washington and making an appearance at the Women's March,
making this case that she was going to lead the
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party to rally against President Donald Trump and fight for
everything that they stood for, you know, trying to encourage Democrats.
So she ended up in the Senate. She ended up
sort of building this brand as like the tough prosecutor
of President Donald Trump. You know, she had this law
enforcement record and she was going to hold him accountable.
But you know, in spite of mixed results, she did
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sort of earn a couple of these viral videos that
went live of her grilling Trump officials and making them uncomfortable,
even though many of the Trump officials couldn't even understand
what she was trying to get to, couldn't even understand
her questions. There's so many examples of that that I
put in the book. But ultimately she does kind of
emerge on stage as this as this major Democratic force,
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but and even earning respect from some of the prominent
luminaries in the party, some of the donors in the
party who are kind of on board with this idea
of a Kamala Harris running for president. You look back
at some of those reports, you had some of the
biggest names really sort of pointing to her possible success
at this and so she definitely launched her campaign on
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a strong footge but it all went kind of down
from there.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh my gosh, it was such a failure. Her as
a presidential candidate was a nightmare. And honestly, I think
as a presidential candidate she was still better than she
is as a vice president. I don't remember these ridiculous
word salads. I don't remember her struggling to the extent
that she struggles on a daily basis now to the
point where they it seems like they've almost hidden her
(17:24):
because she is so hard to understand and she sounds
like such a child when she gets up and talks,
is like she's speaking in riddles, like she's doctor Seuss
and nobody understands. How did this woman become vice president?
But getting back to her presidential campaign, I mean, she failed,
and she failed hard, and then they chose her.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, that's right. She really came out strong. And one
of her first big mistakes was the Jesse Smollett SMOLII
that that whole fiasco with that fakes, fake hoax you know,
small Smole was a friend of hers and she knew him,
had attended marches together in California, and she really came
out strong, leading the charge of all Democrats to back him,
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and ultimately that when that turned out to be a hoax,
she never really apologized and never really addressed that situation,
never even condemned him for sort of misleading the people
on that issue. So that was just the beginning. And
then as she went on the campaign trail, she found
herself tangled up on all kinds of issues. When they
asked her about Medicare for All, she kind of fell
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on her face and said one thing during a debate,
went on Morning Joe the next day to correct herself,
and then ultimately still not understanding what her position was
on that issue, just trying to be as politically popular
as possible without taking any strong positions.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I mean, that's something that's something that we've kind of
seen as a trend with Democrat, especially sadly Democrat women.
I mean, if you look at Gretchen Whitmer, she has
done the same thing. She's tried to be very popular,
she's tried to have a brand, but she hasn't been
able to actually focus on exactly where she stands on
issues when it comes down to critical issues for the country,
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and I think that is overall hurting women in politics.
I've heard people say, gosh, who should Trump choose for
his vice president because are people ready right now after
this disaster to say, oh, yeah, let's try a Republican
woman and see if that's better. And I do think
that this is devastating for women across the country because
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I remember when she was elected and little girls were
cheering at the television and saying, this is amazing a
woman is vice president. And yet this has been such
a terrible failure. Even the early years of her vice
presidency were so embarrassing. And it's almost as though the
Biden administration set her up for failure. I mean, putting
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her in as the borders are right away, that was
a joke. They never were going to actually have her
do anything there. Why did that happen?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, Joe Biden really kind of wanted this buddy all
purpose vice president, and he really thought that Kamala Harris
would be the first to be jumping in and jumping
on some of these hot issues that he needed taken
care of. After all, that's what he tried to do
for Obamas, so he really felt that she would just
be just like he was. But it turns out Kamala
Harris has her own political brand she's trying to protect,
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and Biden advisors quickly realized, oh my gosh, she's more
interested in protecting her own political brand than taking some
of these hot issues for the president. The border czar
issue was a perfect example of that. They asked her
to do this thing on root causes and she repeatedly said,
I am not the borders are. I will only focus
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on root causes in Guatemala some of these other countries
in the North Triangle. So she ended up really sort
of sidestepping that thorny issue protecting her political brand. There.
There's other instances where they wanted her to do events
like a show up at airport and do an event
on infant baby formula when the you know, the administration
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was under attack for that. She initially said no, forcing
Jill Biden to do it, and then ultimately she did
do an event, but only when you know, it felt
right for her. So she's still pretty fiercely protective of
her brand. And yeah, the Biden administration especially during those
first few years just kind of threw up their hands
and kind of let her do whatever she wants wanted,
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because they certainly weren't helping out Joe. That's why she
really struggled there for first, for her first three years.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on
a Tutor Dixon podcast. You say she's protective of her brand,
but what is her brand?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, we recently saw that just just this week. She
has a long history of trying to reboot her image
and her political campaign, and we just saw this again
this week. Was you know, trying to return to that.
I'm a I'm a prosecutor. I'm here to prosecute President Trump.
You know, I'm going to be the one to.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Hold lot of top people doing that.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, exactly, I'm going to be the one to holding
you know, to account on issues of abortion, on issues
of gun control. So she's really kind of trying to reboot, rebrand,
even as her approval ratings are still let the somewhere
in the mid thirties. And that's really a really bad
place to be and I don't know if she can
ever recover from that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So give us the inside scoop on how the word
salads happen? Because if you're vice president of the United States,
you have people writing your speeches very clearly, and you were,
I would hope, working with them, and then you've read
them before you go out there. But it's almost as
though she has new speech because she just says the
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same thing over and over again. How is that happening?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah? During her biggest word solid moments is when she
steps away from from the teleprompter, when she drops her no,
when she grabs the mic and tries to riff, and
what she ends up doing is just adding more and
more dependent clauses on one theme or trying to explain,
you know, issues to people as if that they were children.
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It's really kind of insulting to your audience when you
try to when you try to engage on that level,
and especially when you're just piling more and more dependent
clauses on top of an idea. It's really it's she
really had a lot of problems with that, especially during
some of these like roundtables. But right now she's in
campaign mode. She's a lot more scripted than she ever was.
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She has a couple of speeches pre sort of pre
planned speeches that she's been practicing, and that's kind of
what she has been relying on, leaning heavily on as
she goes into the campaign season.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Quite honestly going through what we just did. I mean,
you look at this history. This is a woman who
came out she's an attorney. She has kind of this
socialite party lifestyle, and she parties her way into some
really big contract where she's just sitting on a board
and making massive amounts of money at a very young age.
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And then at some point she marries a man who
has two children. She does not have children of her own,
and has always been in with the elite, is at
the highest level of the elite. Once she becomes vice president,
how does she connect to the average American family when
she's never been involved in anything remotely close to that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, She got married to Doug em hofft right before
she launched her senate race, and so that sort of
relationship has been you know, it's been very useful for
her because Doug Emoff has his own connections to wealthy
Hollywood donors, you know, as an entertainment as an entertainment lawyer,
and so the two of them have sort of emerged
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as this kind of power couple and with Kamala Harris
being the lead on that. But at this point, like
Doug Emhoff is more comfortable being in the public spotlight.
He seems to enjoy life in Washington, whereas Kamala Harris
doesn't really like doesn't really like the schmoozing, doesn't really
like being that that, doesn't really like that aspect of
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the job. She'd rather sort of focus on what she's
comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It sounds like she hasn't had the opportunity to focus
on that. Whatever that is. If that's prosecuting Donald Trump,
it's it's not her purview right now. That's not in
her lane. So I'm not sure what is in her lane.
But I just want to quickly bring Gavin Newsom into
this because there have been a lot of people who
have said Gavin Newsom will step in for Biden at
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the convention, They'll take him out, They'll put like Gavin in.
What the question is is like, well, what happens to Kamala.
I've heard some crazy stories like, oh, they'll switch, she'll
become governor. They hate each other, they can't be on
the same ticket. How could you ever take you? I mean,
the thing I think everybody knows is you can't ta
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Kamala off the ticket. That's that's a non starter. So
Gavin Newsom, how could they even be together?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, that's right. Right now, they're just praying that they
can get Biden pass the finish line and they're doing
everything they can to sort of protect him and get
him there. And once they cross the finish line, and
this is a big reason of why I wrote the book,
is if Joe Biden can run and win in November,
then there's a very good chance that Kamala Harris could
be the forty seventh President of the United States. If
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Joe Biden steps down and can't finish his full term,
that and then you don't even need Gavin Newsom at all. However,
if Joe Biden can't make it to election day, the
entire party is going to explode because there's so many
different donors with different ideas of who should be the
next heir apparent to the party. There's everyone knows and
everyone doesn't like Kamala Harris. It's amazing in DC when
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you're found wanting, DC can be pretty cruel, and they
definitely are behind the scenes. You don't see anything in
public because Democrats don't want to be accused of being
a racist and a sexist. But behind the scenes, they
are fully disparaging of Kamala Harris, knowing that there's no
way she could run and win against Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's so funny, Like everything that they live for and
believe they it's just all blowney Listen, I'm pretty sure
that if it comes down to it, Joe Biden's staff
will pull that Brazilian woman at the bank with the
man in the wheelchair and wheel his dead body up
to the ballot box and vote for himself even though
he's gone. Like they are so determined to get him
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back into office.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Absolutely, and it's not just the Biden team, it's the
Obama team, it's every Democrat in the country. There were
some serious conversations earlier this year of how can we
how can he possibly run and win? He's so old
and he looks so bad. Even Obama staffers were just
cringing at the very idea. But they've really worked hard
(27:55):
to sort of put this together to get him out
on the campaign trail. Hold some of these moments, you know,
taking the short stairs onto Air Force One. He hasn't
fallen yet, and really they're feeling pretty confident at this point,
especially after the State of the Union, but there's still
one hundred and some days to go. So every day,
I'm sure everyone's holding their breath every time they see
(28:16):
him walk on to a stage or climb the stairs
to the presidential plane. At this point, Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You know they are. You can hear a pin drop.
Everybody's like, Okay, good grief. Well, I am so grateful
to you for doing all of this research. Thank you
so much for coming on. Charlie Spearing, tell us where
people can get the book.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, you can find the book anywhere books are sold,
especially on Amazon, and follow me on Twitter at Charlie
Spearing and Instagram and happy to interact with anybody who
has questions about the book or once a book signed.
So I really appreciate you having me on to talk
about it with you and your audience. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Absolutely, thank you for coming on, and thank you all
out there for joining us for the Tutor Dixon Podcast.
For this episode and others, check out tutordisonpodcast dot com.
You can subscribe right there, or head over to the
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Have a blessed day,
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