April 24, 2024 • 28 mins
Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, joins us to discuss the rampant crime, raging protests, illegal immigrants and lawlessness that is now NYC, and so many other major cities in NY. This graph from December shows the change over 4 years - and now we have protests at universities throughout the city calling for the murder of the Jews and death to America. What is being done? Nothing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
See you right here for our final news round up
and information overload. All right, News round Up, Information Overload.
Our toll free on number is eight hundred and nine
four one Sean. If you want to be a part
of the program. In a minute, we're gonna welcome back
to the program former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly. He did
a great job when he was the police commissioner. I
may shock some of you a little bit here. I've
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had this pretty contentious public battle that's been ongoing for years.
Although not on my side, I could care less about
Alec Baldwin. But anyway, So Alec Baldwin's in a coffee
shop and you have one of these idiots with their
cell phone shoving it in his face, and anyway, so Alec,
can you please say free Palestine? One time? Free Palestine, Alec,
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and just one time, and I'll leave you alone. I'll
leave you alone, I swear, just say it. A coffee
shop employee tried to ask the protester to swap to
stop it with Baldwin as he was walking towards the door,
and asked her to leave. Why did you kill that lady?
The person goes, now, he's not he's been accused of
involuntary manslaughter, and that was in the fatal shooting death
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of the cinematographer on the set of Russ, the movie
that he was involved in. All Right, anyway, long story short,
Baldwin asked the employee to call the police, told the
protester He's not gonna say it, he said, can you
do me a quick favor, before smacking the protester's phone
from her hand. Let me play it for.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You, Alick, Can you please say prepeals down one time?
Why did you kill that lady? You kill that lady
and got no jail time, No jail time, Aleck, no
jail time, Alex. You put innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin.
Free Palistine, Alex, just one time.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And I'll leave you alone. I'll leave you alone, I.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Swear, just safere pals doin one time, one time, one time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
One time.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Alex.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You know he's a criminal.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Come on, just say free Palistine one time, one time,
just one time, please, and I'll leave you alone. Free
Palestine is real anxieonism. Please say it one time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And the phone goes down. Anyway, before we get into
all the madness, that's going on around the country with
these radicals taking over college campuses and their pro Hamas
statements and their anti Semitic statements. We bring in former
MIYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly. You know, I'm not exactly Al
Baldwin's biggest fan here, but you know, at what point
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does somebody have a right not to be harassed that way?
Great to have you back, commissioner.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
How are you I'm trying?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Thanks? Yeah, I mean, if it's outrageous, I think I
might have torture in the face if it happened to
me that many amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You know, by the way, he may want to he
may want to abandon New York the way I did this,
after all this crap he's going through. I wouldn't blame him.
Just don't come to Florida with his leftist views and
ruin the state of Florida. But you know, at some point,
I mean, if you were a police commissioner, is that
be would that be something that some officer that that
they would officer would have to charge him with or
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would that go Would that basically be fine?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Well? Uh, you mean if he if he struck her
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, no, all he did, was he knocked the phone
out of her hand.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Yeah, no, no, that's not that's not a crime. Certainly
not a crime.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Why isn't harassing somebody like that a crime?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Yeah? Right, No, I mean you have to use common
sense with these charges. It's just not a matter of
going to the law book. Yeah, that certainly would not
be a charge by had anything.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
To do with Yeah, let me let me get your
thoughts on this. You see anti Semitism on campus is surging.
The lunatics have taken over. I mean it's happening everywhere.
We'll start on the West Coast in Berkeley, anti Israeli
agitators meeting. You know, we will take any necessary steps.
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You see what's happening in New York in places like NYU,
what we witnessed last night. You see what's unfolding even
still at Columbia University. You see it's happening at MIT.
You see it's happening in Yale. You see it's happening
at Harvard and all around the country. By the way,
Wall Street Journal had a peace Columbia now moving their
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classes online. And you have this Jewish rabbi saying it's
not safe if you're Jewish, stay off campus. Now they
have to finish their semester online. The New York Post
had an article a Jewish student at Columbia said one
of the protesters snatched and burned his Israeli flag and
struck him in the face with rocks during the unrest
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over the weekend. That's the second person that reported violent
actions that were taken against them. And you know, here
you have the elite schools in the country turning into
you know, like Commas University, anti Semitism running rampant. Nearly
half of gen Z voters are sympathetic towards the terrorist
group of Maas. That's pretty scary. And you know, now
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now this is now the reality. You were a police
chief that was hardcore law and order that got the
job done, how would you handle.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
This, Well, the ball is certainly in the court of
the schools at this juncture. It is private property. You
need to complain it if there is any crime that's
going to be charged. So you have to have a
cooperation from the for the institution. You know, about one
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hundred people are arrested the other night, which by the way,
they're out in just a couple of hours. Nobody does
a night in jail anymore. So these people arrested are
probably very much still on law.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Are they just the only one they want to put
in jail in New York is Donald Trump?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
It certainly looks that way. So, I mean, the police
if they see a crime taking place in their off campus,
if he had happened on campus, they can certainly respond.
But to go in and enforce the regulations or rules
of the school, you're going to have to have a
cooperation with the you know, with the administration. And I,
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by the way, did a study of antisemitism two years ago.
I interviewed many Columbia students, tourist students at Colombia. This
has been going on for a long time. There's an organization,
Justice for Palestime, Students of Justice in Palatime. It's been
in existence for almost thirty years. It has two hundred
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chapters in the US. It's on all major college campuses.
They're funded from the Middle East. There's no question about that.
There are a couple of organizations that they try to
shield it or filter it through. But it's been going
on and the administration has done nothing about it. This
is not a new issue for any teacher or any
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administrators who's been at Columbia for any any period of time,
they're just not willing to take Well, it's really.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The administration has to make the decision. That's in keeping
with what Eric Adams, the mayor, had to say. Let
me play this for you.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
What we are seeing playing out on many of our
college campuses, and particularly in Columbia University is hate. We're
seeing biole language being used. And at no time should
we call for the destruction of anyone. Should we call
for violence towards anyone. That is not what protesting is about. Now,
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we have to go within the law in this country
and in the city of Comments like that on the
surface and not illegal, but if you use it to
a rest and someone or minute someone, we're going to
take appropriate action of to stop that from taking place.
And we will go on private property for imminent threat,
even though it was a private property. If there's imminent
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threat or danger to someone, the NYPD will go on
that private property.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, we now have numerous reports that have come out
showing that you know, Jewish students are being physically attacked
at Columbia. That seems to justify the presence of the NYPD.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Right, certainly you need to talk to the administration on that.
You just can't go on without having some agreement with
the administration. We need somebody who is going to complain,
who's going to sign papers. You know, what happens in
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a lot of these cases is that they get a
disk appearance ticket, which maybe means that they're out in
like three hours, and then when they're supposed to go
to court two months later, complainants that don't show up,
the school doesn't show up, you know, so it doesn't
mean anything anymore. Arresting one hundred people for these kinds
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of violations, it just it just flaunted.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Did you ever think, I mean, what years were you
police commissioned? I don't remember the exact years. How many
years were you police commissioner?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, you've been there, and you were a big part
of turning New York City around. And Juliani became mayor
and stopping frisk was instituted. The murder rate rate in
New York City went down dramatically, from nearly twenty five
hundred a year at one point it got as low
as three hundred a year. You were a big part
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of making that happen, and so you look back on
these years and now, to me, it seems like the
inmates are running the asylum. These these presidents of these
college universities seem more sympathetic to the rights of the
students that are doing the harassing and the protesting than
they do to the victims. It seems at this point
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you know that your hand, the cops hands are tied.
Then you add to that no bail, defund, dismantle, reimagine
the police, no bail laws. I can't tell you how
many guys that I know grew up that wanted to
be cops and they want no part of it anymore.
I know people that are cops and if they see trouble,
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if they make a left, they're going to go right
and they're not going to go near it because they
know they're not going to be protected.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah, and that's so unfortunate. And the city just signed
a consent degree as far as how to handle demonstrations
that significantly ties the hands of police offices. It doesn't
go into a second I think go June first. But
it creates four levels of demonstration. It's an oversight group
of six people owning one which is from the police department.
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There's no kettling, which is a Platin's term for sort
of moving behind demonstrators. It's ridiculous thing for the city
to agree to, but they did it, so it was
going to get worse in terms of handling major demonstrations. Yeah,
I know a lot of cops. Of course, we were
so disheart the ones that can leave or leaving. I
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know this city just did something as far as putting
in a pension sweetener. We'll see if that works. But
so much talent is going out the door on a
regular basis. The hemorrhaging cops well.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Over that they're hemorrhaging am and they're not bringing in
enough people to replace them. And then they're even cutting
back because of the illegal immigrant problem and the massive
cost associated with it. They don't have the ability to
hire the level of cops when you were commissioner, that's right.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And of course your concerns about the standards wants them
to lower the standards just to reach your number, and
that's a problem as well. Put you're right, it cannot
fill the ranks anywhere near to the numbers that we had.
Certainly Rudi Jiulani, he had forty thousand cops that at
the end of the administration.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So what do we doubt what I think we're down to,
Like what thirty thousand, Well, not.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
About thirty thirty three, thirty thirty two, thirty three thousand, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Mean it sounds like you would get the hell out
of there, you know at this point because you don't
want any part of it. I mean, well, who would
want that job?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Let me tell you. I've had many family members, people
that I know, closest friends that loved their job on
the NYPD, loved it, and they all say the same thing.
It's not the same job, it's not the same place.
It's a disaster. And if they get to a retirement age,
they get out the door as fast as they can.
And those years before they retire, they're they're laying back.
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Then they're not going to put themselves out anymore because
they know they're not going to get supported if God forbid,
they're involved in an incident, even of self defense.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You're right, there's so many restrictions that have been placed
on them. Civilian Review Board has been given free access
to initiate their own complaints, their own investigations, which was
never never the case. There is a you know, there
is an expected general in the NYPD, in each of
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the District Attorney's officers in New York County. There is
a public corruption unit. Now that's fine, but we also
have maybe six hundred police officers inside the NYPD assigned
to internal investigations. So there's an awful lot of scrutiny,
more than has ever been and cops to interpret a
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lot of that as being just harassment. And then I'm
not sick and round for it. They've been demonized, they've
been vilified, and hey, it's not what they sound out for.
And a lot of these cops are going to other departments,
you know, and much more receptive though.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
By the way, you don't run De Santus did down
in Florida. He's offering trained police officers from other cities
that come down to Florida, is giving them a big
bonus to move here, and they're all taking them up
on the offer, because in Florida they back up their
met in blue.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
True and very true. I know there's a lot of
in MYPD alumni in Florida. It will seems to be
pretty happy. The ones that I've come in contact.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
With former MIPD commissioner Ray Kelly. Very great to talk
to you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Thank you, Sean. Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Eight nine four one, Shawn a number if you want
to be a part of the program, quick break right back,
we'll continue. I want to remind you of this, so
you know, Donald Trump, I think you'd be handling the
issue of what's going on in college campuses a lot differently.
And this is what he said earlier today.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
What's going on at the college level and the colleges,
comedian NYU and others is a disgrace and it's a
it's really on vite and he has the wrong signal,
it's got the wrong don's got the wrong alots backing,
and it's a mess. This word me, it'd be after me,
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it'd be after me so much. But to try to
give him a past. But what's going on is a disgrace.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
To our country. And it's all Biden stole.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
That everybody knows that he's got no message, he's got
no compassion, and he isn't no what he's knowing. He
can't put two synthesis together. Franklin.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, it's a disgrace and it's on Biden Yep, Biden
has a problem. He has a base problem. He's bleeding
his base, and his base does not want any help
or support for our ally. Israel a big portion of
his base, that is, and the radicalized Democratic Party which
he is the leader of, has now turned on Israel,
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even going as far today as the State Department now
accusing Israel of human rights abuses? Have they forgotten who
started this war? All right? Back to our busy phones,
Let us say height to Vinnie Vinnie in the socialist
utopia known as California. Vinnie, how are you glad you
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called good?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
First of all, you got a great staff. They're pure gold.
And this is Howie, California, the land of fruits and nuts.
And I wanted to talk about Stormy Daniels real quick.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I haven't, yes, sir, anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I haven't heard anybody make any mention of the fact
that she's actually I think as a as an old cop,
guilty of blackmail. And nobody's ever said anything because that's
a criminal offense. It's seleny, and it comes up from
when you threaten revealing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't think it's blackmail. Let me take issue with you.
If you have two people agree on what they call
is it's actually so common it's insane. I mean, probably
most most major corporations have a number of what's called
non disclosure agreements, and oftentimes it's somebody that either threatens
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to sue or files a lawsuit for whatever reason. These
companies that have to make a financial calculation, and they
have to determine number one, whether or not it's true.
They have to determine whether or not it would bring
them more embarrassment than it's worth. They have to calculate, okay, well,
their law firm charges two thousand dollars an hour, how
much would they pay in legal fees versus what the
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payout would be. And then if two sides, two parties
agreed to a settlement, at that point that's between the
two parties, and in this case, the two parties agreed
to a settlement. The it's something that happens every day, okay.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
But hush money, they keep saying hush money is inherently
not illegal. I mean, hypothetically, let's say.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That it's a bad term that everybody keeps using. It's not.
It was a non disclosure agreement, Stormy Daniel said, it's
not hush money. Stormy Daniel said in writing, I didn't
have any sexual affair with Donald trumperiod end a sentence.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I couldn't agree more, and especially about the hush money,
because they keep talking about that. But you know, it's
a consensual meeting between the two, and you know, nobody's
mentioned the fact that it was prostitution, which it's not.
It was an agreement signed by her for an NDA
and that's between him and his family, and that's to
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keep it personal. And that's the reason they use the
term hush money. But it's not illegal. Hush money is
not illegal. So I just can't understand why he's on
trial and why she's not being prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They came to a financial settlement over whatever the financial
settlement they agreed it to be about. That's what happened.
That's between them. Usually there is a in a non disclosure,
you don't get to talk about the issue or the
terms of the issue, and you move forward. Then the
company gets to say goodbye to the two thousand dollars
an hour lawyers and they get to move on with
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their business and the individual gets to move on with
their life. That's what happens. Uh that it is so
common it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Well I agree, I agree. But you know, if I
come to you and catch you doing something and I say, Sean,
you better pay me X amount of dollars or I'm
going to cop.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Out on you, Well, right, what did you catch me doing?
Because I probably didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Well, I'm not saying you, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Just kidding around.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No, I mean, look, there there are people that pay,
you know, pay large sums because they did do something
and rather than fight it out in court and face
the embarrassment associated with it being public, that they'd rather
pay the money if they can afford it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
But we go, we go right back to the hush
money and it's not illegal. But what I'm saying is
that if you know, blackmails is a criminal offense, and
it's tony. So if somebody extorts you.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
For money or other valuable in uh, when you they've
caught you doing something and basically and you say, they
say I'm going to get it, I'm going to put.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Up Well you do get to that. You can get
very close to that line when you're talking about these
private settlements where somebody's basically saying, for example, well, there
was a high profile case somebody in the media. I
won't mention who. Uh, And we're basically told that, uh,
you know, pass X number of dollars or pictures from
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thirty years ago they want to release. And you know,
I would argue, in that case, you getting really close
to the line of blackmail. And sometimes people, when they're
put in that position, they bring in the FBI, and
rightly so, and you could be and that person could
very likely be charged with blackmail either pay me or else.
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That's a threat.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, that's absolutely right. And I couldn't agree more that
the two actually are are so very close that it's
hard to Sometimes it's hard to distinguish which is which.
But the NDA takes it, you know, to a different direction.
But it's just I don't heard, Yeah, I haven't heard
anybody discuss it like we have. It's just if they
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want to call it, I mean they can't. What crime
is there in paying a so called hush money?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's not you know, they're talking about a bookkeeping error,
which is a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations ran out.
And then they're trying to concreate a conspiracy, as we
talked about earlier in the program and say this is
a conspiracy and about election interference. They're not even charging
Trump with that. They're just trying to use all these
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loaded words and hypotheticals and hope that the jury doesn't
figure out that that's not what the case is about. Well,
let's see what happens. It is New York. They do
hate Donald Trump, but I got to move on, my friend.
Appreciate your call. Thank you, Don Iowa. Next Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
Hi, Hi Sean, thank you for taking my call. I uh,
I appreciate it and like to preciate all her. I
think your staff is great, Linda Katie awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Why Why why is everybody sucking up to my staff?
Why you're supposed to suck up to the host for
crying out loud? Well, I'm kidding, of.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
Course, I sunk up to the host. I love Sean.
I've been listening to you since Uh Hannity and Combs and.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Uh, thank you. It means a lot to me. But no,
I do have the greatest staff ever. I I agree.
I concur what's on your mind? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Vice versa. Well, I saw a video of Alec Baldwin
getting harassed, and I thought that Uh, you might have
some opinion on it because, uh, the the harassment of
Alec Baldwin. This woman is calling Alec Baldwin a murderer,
but she wants his endorsement for Palestine. I find that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Just say, just say it, Alec, just saying you know
we played it earlier. Let me tell you something. I honestly,
and you know, I've had very public fights with Alec Baldwin.
I don't particularly like Alec Baldwin, and he has a
pretty bad temper. And I know he's got this trial
that this woman was harassing him, you know, with the
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camera in his face, screaming at him, you know, trying
to get him to do so. He's there to buy
a cup of coffee. Leave the guy alone. He tried
to be he tried to ignore the store owner, tried
to diffuse it. This lady was unrelenting, and then he
just whacked the phone out of her hand.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Frankly, I don't really blame him, and you know he's
probably gonna end up with a lawsuit over it. That's
how That's how insane the world is today. It's too bad.
I think he had every right to tell this woman
to stop harassing me. I mean, people, listen, I haven't
talked a lot about it, but the stuff that I
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had to face in New York that I don't face
in Florida. I mean, the difference is night and day.
And I just I had a lot of a lot
of considerations to make before I've made this move, and
I've been planning it for years, and Governor DeSantis was
making fun of me, saying You're never going to make
the move, and I'm like, yes, I am him, I'm
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going to and I finally pulled the trigger and I've
been down here ever since and I'm not going back,
well except for like a few business things, I'm not
going back.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
No. And I just think that the woman making the
requests or demand of Alec was like throwing at a
bullseye and missing an entire barn. One thing had zero
to do with the other. She was just looking for
fifteen minutes of fame at Alec's expense. The man has
a life, Leave him alone. You know, I agree with
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you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And listen, I've had my own moments like this. I'm
just I don't come on the air and talk about
it often, but I've lived through this it's a pain
in the ass. I don't like it, and you know,
I I can imagine. However, I'm probably a lot more
disciplined in terms of keeping my emotions in check than
alec Is. I have a very well trained to my
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ability to defend myself, and I find in those situations
I get very very calm, very calm, and I am
I am very good at diffusing them. That lady was
there's nothing he could have said that would have diffused it,
probably if in retrospect, it's very hard to do. It's
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easy to say, you know, he could have just ignored her,
got his coffee, walked out, walked away, gone to another store,
you know, go home, wait till this lady, you know, leaves,
and then go on with his life. But you know what,
that's taken away his freedom at this at some point,
at some point, you know, people should not be allowed
to rash you like that. Anyway, appreciate the call, my friend.
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Good point. Let's say hi to Sally in North Carolina. Hi, Sally,
how are you glad you call?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Sean good to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's great to talk to you. What's going on? I
love North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Oh yeah, it's great down here. I'll be brief. I
have a suggestion I'd like you to pass on to
Trump if possible. We know, we all know that he's
in this horrible, unconstitutional trial, and even though he comes
out at the end of the day and he can
speak briefly, he just can't get anything across that he
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would be if he was on the campaign trail. So therefore,
I suggest that he announces running mate now so that
he or she can be campaigning on his behalf or
for other Republican candidates and be able to rebuke all
these talking points that the Democrats and Biden put out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I would imagine. Remember, the Republican Convention is in June.
We are now almost to the end of April, so
I would not be surprised if some point in May
or some point in early June, we're going to know
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who that person is. Is there anybody in particular you like.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I'm just thinking, Wow, he's tied up for eight weeks.
I mean, there's a lot of time that he is
not out speaking two people, and not everyone watches the
six o'clock news or whatever, and I just think it'd
be important if he had someone on his behicro doing this.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I agree with you. I think it's a good, great idea.
I really do, and I think I wouldn't do it
right now, but I would do it. I might do
it in late May or the latest, early June. He's
going to have to do it in June anyway, listen.
I appreciate the call. No, I guess they're conventions in July,
but I would do it in probably early June. Anyway,
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good call, Thank you, Sally eight hundred ninety four one.
Shawn is on numbers. We can all right. That's going
to wrap things up at today. We are loaded up.
Tonight Sarah Carter at New York University. More protest expected.
Steven Miller, Jonathan Turley, Kelly and Conway, Tammy Bruce, Pam Bondi,
Greg Jarrett. Say your DVR Hannity tonight at nine on
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Thank you for making the show possible
See you right here for our final news round up
and information overload. All right, News round Up, Information Overload.
Our toll free on number is eight hundred and nine
four one Sean. If you want to be a part
of the program. In a minute, we're gonna welcome back
to the program former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly. He did
a great job when he was the police commissioner. I
may shock some of you a little bit here. I've
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had this pretty contentious public battle that's been ongoing for years.
Although not on my side, I could care less about
Alec Baldwin. But anyway, So Alec Baldwin's in a coffee
shop and you have one of these idiots with their
cell phone shoving it in his face, and anyway, so Alec,
can you please say free Palestine? One time? Free Palestine, Alec,
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and just one time, and I'll leave you alone. I'll
leave you alone, I swear, just say it. A coffee
shop employee tried to ask the protester to swap to
stop it with Baldwin as he was walking towards the door,
and asked her to leave. Why did you kill that lady?
The person goes, now, he's not he's been accused of
involuntary manslaughter, and that was in the fatal shooting death
(01:09):
of the cinematographer on the set of Russ, the movie
that he was involved in. All Right, anyway, long story short,
Baldwin asked the employee to call the police, told the
protester He's not gonna say it, he said, can you
do me a quick favor, before smacking the protester's phone
from her hand. Let me play it for.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You, Alick, Can you please say prepeals down one time?
Why did you kill that lady? You kill that lady
and got no jail time, No jail time, Aleck, no
jail time, Alex. You put innocent people in jail, Alec Baldwin.
Free Palistine, Alex, just one time.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And I'll leave you alone. I'll leave you alone, I.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Swear, just safere pals doin one time, one time, one time.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
One time.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Alex.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You know is a criminal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You know he's a criminal.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Come on, just say free Palistine one time, one time,
just one time, please, and I'll leave you alone. Free
Palestine is real anxieonism. Please say it one time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
And the phone goes down. Anyway, before we get into
all the madness, that's going on around the country with
these radicals taking over college campuses and their pro Hamas
statements and their anti Semitic statements. We bring in former
MIYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly. You know, I'm not exactly Al
Baldwin's biggest fan here, but you know, at what point
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does somebody have a right not to be harassed that way?
Great to have you back, commissioner.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
How are you I'm trying?
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Thanks? Yeah, I mean, if it's outrageous, I think I
might have torture in the face if it happened to
me that many amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You know, by the way, he may want to he
may want to abandon New York the way I did this,
after all this crap he's going through. I wouldn't blame him.
Just don't come to Florida with his leftist views and
ruin the state of Florida. But you know, at some point,
I mean, if you were a police commissioner, is that
be would that be something that some officer that that
they would officer would have to charge him with or
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would that go Would that basically be fine?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
Well? Uh, you mean if he if he struck her
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, no, all he did, was he knocked the phone
out of her hand.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Yeah, no, no, that's not that's not a crime. Certainly
not a crime.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Why isn't harassing somebody like that a crime?
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Yeah? Right, No, I mean you have to use common
sense with these charges. It's just not a matter of
going to the law book. Yeah, that certainly would not
be a charge by had anything.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
To do with Yeah, let me let me get your
thoughts on this. You see anti Semitism on campus is surging.
The lunatics have taken over. I mean it's happening everywhere.
We'll start on the West Coast in Berkeley, anti Israeli
agitators meeting. You know, we will take any necessary steps.
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You see what's happening in New York in places like NYU,
what we witnessed last night. You see what's unfolding even
still at Columbia University. You see it's happening at MIT.
You see it's happening in Yale. You see it's happening
at Harvard and all around the country. By the way,
Wall Street Journal had a peace Columbia now moving their
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classes online. And you have this Jewish rabbi saying it's
not safe if you're Jewish, stay off campus. Now they
have to finish their semester online. The New York Post
had an article a Jewish student at Columbia said one
of the protesters snatched and burned his Israeli flag and
struck him in the face with rocks during the unrest
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over the weekend. That's the second person that reported violent
actions that were taken against them. And you know, here
you have the elite schools in the country turning into
you know, like Commas University, anti Semitism running rampant. Nearly
half of gen Z voters are sympathetic towards the terrorist
group of Maas. That's pretty scary. And you know, now
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now this is now the reality. You were a police
chief that was hardcore law and order that got the
job done, how would you handle.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
This, Well, the ball is certainly in the court of
the schools at this juncture. It is private property. You
need to complain it if there is any crime that's
going to be charged. So you have to have a
cooperation from the for the institution. You know, about one
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hundred people are arrested the other night, which by the way,
they're out in just a couple of hours. Nobody does
a night in jail anymore. So these people arrested are
probably very much still on law.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Are they just the only one they want to put
in jail in New York is Donald Trump?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
It certainly looks that way. So, I mean, the police
if they see a crime taking place in their off campus,
if he had happened on campus, they can certainly respond.
But to go in and enforce the regulations or rules
of the school, you're going to have to have a
cooperation with the you know, with the administration. And I,
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by the way, did a study of antisemitism two years ago.
I interviewed many Columbia students, tourist students at Colombia. This
has been going on for a long time. There's an organization,
Justice for Palestime, Students of Justice in Palatime. It's been
in existence for almost thirty years. It has two hundred
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chapters in the US. It's on all major college campuses.
They're funded from the Middle East. There's no question about that.
There are a couple of organizations that they try to
shield it or filter it through. But it's been going
on and the administration has done nothing about it. This
is not a new issue for any teacher or any
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administrators who's been at Columbia for any any period of time,
they're just not willing to take Well, it's really.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The administration has to make the decision. That's in keeping
with what Eric Adams, the mayor, had to say. Let
me play this for you.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
What we are seeing playing out on many of our
college campuses, and particularly in Columbia University is hate. We're
seeing biole language being used. And at no time should
we call for the destruction of anyone. Should we call
for violence towards anyone. That is not what protesting is about. Now,
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we have to go within the law in this country
and in the city of Comments like that on the
surface and not illegal, but if you use it to
a rest and someone or minute someone, we're going to
take appropriate action of to stop that from taking place.
And we will go on private property for imminent threat,
even though it was a private property. If there's imminent
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threat or danger to someone, the NYPD will go on
that private property.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, we now have numerous reports that have come out
showing that you know, Jewish students are being physically attacked
at Columbia. That seems to justify the presence of the NYPD.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Right, certainly you need to talk to the administration on that.
You just can't go on without having some agreement with
the administration. We need somebody who is going to complain,
who's going to sign papers. You know, what happens in
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a lot of these cases is that they get a
disk appearance ticket, which maybe means that they're out in
like three hours, and then when they're supposed to go
to court two months later, complainants that don't show up,
the school doesn't show up, you know, so it doesn't
mean anything anymore. Arresting one hundred people for these kinds
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of violations, it just it just flaunted.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Did you ever think, I mean, what years were you
police commissioned? I don't remember the exact years. How many
years were you police commissioner?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Fourteen?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, you've been there, and you were a big part
of turning New York City around. And Juliani became mayor
and stopping frisk was instituted. The murder rate rate in
New York City went down dramatically, from nearly twenty five
hundred a year at one point it got as low
as three hundred a year. You were a big part
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of making that happen, and so you look back on
these years and now, to me, it seems like the
inmates are running the asylum. These these presidents of these
college universities seem more sympathetic to the rights of the
students that are doing the harassing and the protesting than
they do to the victims. It seems at this point
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you know that your hand, the cops hands are tied.
Then you add to that no bail, defund, dismantle, reimagine
the police, no bail laws. I can't tell you how
many guys that I know grew up that wanted to
be cops and they want no part of it anymore.
I know people that are cops and if they see trouble,
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if they make a left, they're going to go right
and they're not going to go near it because they
know they're not going to be protected.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Yeah, and that's so unfortunate. And the city just signed
a consent degree as far as how to handle demonstrations
that significantly ties the hands of police offices. It doesn't
go into a second I think go June first. But
it creates four levels of demonstration. It's an oversight group
of six people owning one which is from the police department.
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There's no kettling, which is a Platin's term for sort
of moving behind demonstrators. It's ridiculous thing for the city
to agree to, but they did it, so it was
going to get worse in terms of handling major demonstrations. Yeah,
I know a lot of cops. Of course, we were
so disheart the ones that can leave or leaving. I
(11:12):
know this city just did something as far as putting
in a pension sweetener. We'll see if that works. But
so much talent is going out the door on a
regular basis. The hemorrhaging cops well.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Over that they're hemorrhaging am and they're not bringing in
enough people to replace them. And then they're even cutting
back because of the illegal immigrant problem and the massive
cost associated with it. They don't have the ability to
hire the level of cops when you were commissioner, that's right.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
And of course your concerns about the standards wants them
to lower the standards just to reach your number, and
that's a problem as well. Put you're right, it cannot
fill the ranks anywhere near to the numbers that we had.
Certainly Rudi Jiulani, he had forty thousand cops that at
the end of the administration.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So what do we doubt what I think we're down to,
Like what thirty thousand, Well, not.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
About thirty thirty three, thirty thirty two, thirty three thousand, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Mean it sounds like you would get the hell out
of there, you know at this point because you don't
want any part of it. I mean, well, who would
want that job?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Let me tell you. I've had many family members, people
that I know, closest friends that loved their job on
the NYPD, loved it, and they all say the same thing.
It's not the same job, it's not the same place.
It's a disaster. And if they get to a retirement age,
they get out the door as fast as they can.
And those years before they retire, they're they're laying back.
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Then they're not going to put themselves out anymore because
they know they're not going to get supported if God forbid,
they're involved in an incident, even of self defense.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
You're right, there's so many restrictions that have been placed
on them. Civilian Review Board has been given free access
to initiate their own complaints, their own investigations, which was
never never the case. There is a you know, there
is an expected general in the NYPD, in each of
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the District Attorney's officers in New York County. There is
a public corruption unit. Now that's fine, but we also
have maybe six hundred police officers inside the NYPD assigned
to internal investigations. So there's an awful lot of scrutiny,
more than has ever been and cops to interpret a
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lot of that as being just harassment. And then I'm
not sick and round for it. They've been demonized, they've
been vilified, and hey, it's not what they sound out for.
And a lot of these cops are going to other departments,
you know, and much more receptive though.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
By the way, you don't run De Santus did down
in Florida. He's offering trained police officers from other cities
that come down to Florida, is giving them a big
bonus to move here, and they're all taking them up
on the offer, because in Florida they back up their
met in blue.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
True and very true. I know there's a lot of
in MYPD alumni in Florida. It will seems to be
pretty happy. The ones that I've come in contact.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
With former MIPD commissioner Ray Kelly. Very great to talk
to you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Thank you, Sean. Great to be with you.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Eight nine four one, Shawn a number if you want
to be a part of the program, quick break right back,
we'll continue. I want to remind you of this, so
you know, Donald Trump, I think you'd be handling the
issue of what's going on in college campuses a lot differently.
And this is what he said earlier today.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
What's going on at the college level and the colleges,
comedian NYU and others is a disgrace and it's a
it's really on vite and he has the wrong signal,
it's got the wrong don's got the wrong alots backing,
and it's a mess. This word me, it'd be after me,
(15:03):
it'd be after me so much. But to try to
give him a past. But what's going on is a disgrace.
Speaker 6 (15:08):
To our country. And it's all Biden stole.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
That everybody knows that he's got no message, he's got
no compassion, and he isn't no what he's knowing. He
can't put two synthesis together. Franklin.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, it's a disgrace and it's on Biden Yep, Biden
has a problem. He has a base problem. He's bleeding
his base, and his base does not want any help
or support for our ally. Israel a big portion of
his base, that is, and the radicalized Democratic Party which
he is the leader of, has now turned on Israel,
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even going as far today as the State Department now
accusing Israel of human rights abuses? Have they forgotten who
started this war? All right? Back to our busy phones,
Let us say height to Vinnie Vinnie in the socialist
utopia known as California. Vinnie, how are you glad you
(16:04):
called good?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
First of all, you got a great staff. They're pure gold.
And this is Howie, California, the land of fruits and nuts.
And I wanted to talk about Stormy Daniels real quick.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I haven't, yes, sir, anybody.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I haven't heard anybody make any mention of the fact
that she's actually I think as a as an old cop,
guilty of blackmail. And nobody's ever said anything because that's
a criminal offense. It's seleny, and it comes up from
when you threaten revealing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I don't think it's blackmail. Let me take issue with you.
If you have two people agree on what they call
is it's actually so common it's insane. I mean, probably
most most major corporations have a number of what's called
non disclosure agreements, and oftentimes it's somebody that either threatens
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to sue or files a lawsuit for whatever reason. These
companies that have to make a financial calculation, and they
have to determine number one, whether or not it's true.
They have to determine whether or not it would bring
them more embarrassment than it's worth. They have to calculate, okay, well,
their law firm charges two thousand dollars an hour, how
much would they pay in legal fees versus what the
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payout would be. And then if two sides, two parties
agreed to a settlement, at that point that's between the
two parties, and in this case, the two parties agreed
to a settlement. The it's something that happens every day, okay.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
But hush money, they keep saying hush money is inherently
not illegal. I mean, hypothetically, let's say.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That it's a bad term that everybody keeps using. It's not.
It was a non disclosure agreement, Stormy Daniel said, it's
not hush money. Stormy Daniel said in writing, I didn't
have any sexual affair with Donald trumperiod end a sentence.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I couldn't agree more, and especially about the hush money,
because they keep talking about that. But you know, it's
a consensual meeting between the two, and you know, nobody's
mentioned the fact that it was prostitution, which it's not.
It was an agreement signed by her for an NDA
and that's between him and his family, and that's to
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keep it personal. And that's the reason they use the
term hush money. But it's not illegal. Hush money is
not illegal. So I just can't understand why he's on
trial and why she's not being prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They came to a financial settlement over whatever the financial
settlement they agreed it to be about. That's what happened.
That's between them. Usually there is a in a non disclosure,
you don't get to talk about the issue or the
terms of the issue, and you move forward. Then the
company gets to say goodbye to the two thousand dollars
an hour lawyers and they get to move on with
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their business and the individual gets to move on with
their life. That's what happens. Uh that it is so
common it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Well I agree, I agree. But you know, if I
come to you and catch you doing something and I say, Sean,
you better pay me X amount of dollars or I'm
going to cop.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Out on you, Well, right, what did you catch me doing?
Because I probably didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Well, I'm not saying you, I'm.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Just kidding around.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Man.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
No, I mean, look, there there are people that pay,
you know, pay large sums because they did do something
and rather than fight it out in court and face
the embarrassment associated with it being public, that they'd rather
pay the money if they can afford it.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
But we go, we go right back to the hush
money and it's not illegal. But what I'm saying is
that if you know, blackmails is a criminal offense, and
it's tony. So if somebody extorts you.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
For money or other valuable in uh, when you they've
caught you doing something and basically and you say, they
say I'm going to get it, I'm going to put.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Up Well you do get to that. You can get
very close to that line when you're talking about these
private settlements where somebody's basically saying, for example, well, there
was a high profile case somebody in the media. I
won't mention who. Uh, And we're basically told that, uh,
you know, pass X number of dollars or pictures from
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thirty years ago they want to release. And you know,
I would argue, in that case, you getting really close
to the line of blackmail. And sometimes people, when they're
put in that position, they bring in the FBI, and
rightly so, and you could be and that person could
very likely be charged with blackmail either pay me or else.
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That's a threat.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Well, that's absolutely right. And I couldn't agree more that
the two actually are are so very close that it's
hard to Sometimes it's hard to distinguish which is which.
But the NDA takes it, you know, to a different direction.
But it's just I don't heard, Yeah, I haven't heard
anybody discuss it like we have. It's just if they
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want to call it, I mean they can't. What crime
is there in paying a so called hush money?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's not you know, they're talking about a bookkeeping error,
which is a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations ran out.
And then they're trying to concreate a conspiracy, as we
talked about earlier in the program and say this is
a conspiracy and about election interference. They're not even charging
Trump with that. They're just trying to use all these
(21:46):
loaded words and hypotheticals and hope that the jury doesn't
figure out that that's not what the case is about. Well,
let's see what happens. It is New York. They do
hate Donald Trump, but I got to move on, my friend.
Appreciate your call. Thank you, Don Iowa. Next Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
Hi, Hi Sean, thank you for taking my call. I uh,
I appreciate it and like to preciate all her. I
think your staff is great, Linda Katie awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Why Why why is everybody sucking up to my staff?
Why you're supposed to suck up to the host for
crying out loud? Well, I'm kidding, of.
Speaker 9 (22:18):
Course, I sunk up to the host. I love Sean.
I've been listening to you since Uh Hannity and Combs and.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Uh, thank you. It means a lot to me. But no,
I do have the greatest staff ever. I I agree.
I concur what's on your mind? What's on your mind today?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Vice versa. Well, I saw a video of Alec Baldwin
getting harassed, and I thought that Uh, you might have
some opinion on it because, uh, the the harassment of
Alec Baldwin. This woman is calling Alec Baldwin a murderer,
but she wants his endorsement for Palestine. I find that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Just say, just say it, Alec, just saying you know
we played it earlier. Let me tell you something. I honestly,
and you know, I've had very public fights with Alec Baldwin.
I don't particularly like Alec Baldwin, and he has a
pretty bad temper. And I know he's got this trial
that this woman was harassing him, you know, with the
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camera in his face, screaming at him, you know, trying
to get him to do so. He's there to buy
a cup of coffee. Leave the guy alone. He tried
to be he tried to ignore the store owner, tried
to diffuse it. This lady was unrelenting, and then he
just whacked the phone out of her hand.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Frankly, I don't really blame him, and you know he's
probably gonna end up with a lawsuit over it. That's
how That's how insane the world is today. It's too bad.
I think he had every right to tell this woman
to stop harassing me. I mean, people, listen, I haven't
talked a lot about it, but the stuff that I
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had to face in New York that I don't face
in Florida. I mean, the difference is night and day.
And I just I had a lot of a lot
of considerations to make before I've made this move, and
I've been planning it for years, and Governor DeSantis was
making fun of me, saying You're never going to make
the move, and I'm like, yes, I am him, I'm
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going to and I finally pulled the trigger and I've
been down here ever since and I'm not going back,
well except for like a few business things, I'm not
going back.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
No. And I just think that the woman making the
requests or demand of Alec was like throwing at a
bullseye and missing an entire barn. One thing had zero
to do with the other. She was just looking for
fifteen minutes of fame at Alec's expense. The man has
a life, Leave him alone. You know, I agree with
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you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And listen, I've had my own moments like this. I'm
just I don't come on the air and talk about
it often, but I've lived through this it's a pain
in the ass. I don't like it, and you know,
I I can imagine. However, I'm probably a lot more
disciplined in terms of keeping my emotions in check than
alec Is. I have a very well trained to my
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ability to defend myself, and I find in those situations
I get very very calm, very calm, and I am
I am very good at diffusing them. That lady was
there's nothing he could have said that would have diffused it,
probably if in retrospect, it's very hard to do. It's
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easy to say, you know, he could have just ignored her,
got his coffee, walked out, walked away, gone to another store,
you know, go home, wait till this lady, you know, leaves,
and then go on with his life. But you know what,
that's taken away his freedom at this at some point,
at some point, you know, people should not be allowed
to rash you like that. Anyway, appreciate the call, my friend.
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Good point. Let's say hi to Sally in North Carolina. Hi, Sally,
how are you glad you call?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Sean good to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's great to talk to you. What's going on? I
love North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Oh yeah, it's great down here. I'll be brief. I
have a suggestion I'd like you to pass on to
Trump if possible. We know, we all know that he's
in this horrible, unconstitutional trial, and even though he comes
out at the end of the day and he can
speak briefly, he just can't get anything across that he
(26:29):
would be if he was on the campaign trail. So therefore,
I suggest that he announces running mate now so that
he or she can be campaigning on his behalf or
for other Republican candidates and be able to rebuke all
these talking points that the Democrats and Biden put out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I would imagine. Remember, the Republican Convention is in June.
We are now almost to the end of April, so
I would not be surprised if some point in May
or some point in early June, we're going to know
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who that person is. Is there anybody in particular you like.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I'm just thinking, Wow, he's tied up for eight weeks.
I mean, there's a lot of time that he is
not out speaking two people, and not everyone watches the
six o'clock news or whatever, and I just think it'd
be important if he had someone on his behicro doing this.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I agree with you. I think it's a good, great idea.
I really do, and I think I wouldn't do it
right now, but I would do it. I might do
it in late May or the latest, early June. He's
going to have to do it in June anyway, listen.
I appreciate the call. No, I guess they're conventions in July,
but I would do it in probably early June. Anyway,
(27:56):
good call, Thank you, Sally eight hundred ninety four one.
Shawn is on numbers. We can all right. That's going
to wrap things up at today. We are loaded up.
Tonight Sarah Carter at New York University. More protest expected.
Steven Miller, Jonathan Turley, Kelly and Conway, Tammy Bruce, Pam Bondi,
Greg Jarrett. Say your DVR Hannity tonight at nine on
(28:16):
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