Today, Fabio talks to Rick Abel, an Emeritus Law Professor at UCLA. Rick recently published two books on the United States war on terror, which researchers at the PAL project have found particularly useful. The reason is, in these books, Rick shows how a liberal legal order can quickly be turned into an illiberal one, to fight those who are framed as “enemies of the nation”. In the episode, Fabio and Rick discuss what these processes involve and what they tell us about the ability that law and lawyers have, or lack, to protect or to undermine political liberalism
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